Thiel urges Republicans to back off 'culture wars

politico.com ^ | July 21, 2016 | Tony Romm

[Berlin_Freeper]

Technology investor Peter Thiel implored Republicans from the convention stage on Thursday against waging "culture wars" on lesbian, gay and transgender communities, mere days after the GOP approved a national platform that defines marriage as between “one man and one woman.” Thiel, who himself is gay, stressed that "every American has a unique identity." He said attempts to require transgender Americans to use particular bathrooms is a "distraction from our real problem." And in a first for a GOP convention, the Facebook board member and PayPal co-founder drew attention to his own sexuality: "I am proud to be gay, I am proud to be a Republican, but most of all, I am proud to be an American," he said.

[pieceofthepuzzle]

“Right, the real problem is billionaire conservatives who have created thousands of well-paying jobs and who just happen to be gay. I really couldn't care less - Thiel backs Trump and he's done far more for America than either you or I.”

Amen.

[ladyjane]

tthe Target bathroom is a distraction.

He is wrong. Target is not a distraction. It's one more step down the slippery slope. The culture war is part of a plan to make us so inured to such insane demands that we finally acquiesce .

[manc]

Homosexuals started a war against hrstians and this country many years ago , and only because we have cowards and perverts in our party that they have advanced their sick agenda.
Well I for one will not shut up or accept them and yes if they cross my path and announce they are married or push their agenda then they will get a piece of my mind

[manc]

My question too.

[GenXteacher]

Amen.

[MortMan]

Arguing over "sodomy", please save it for your home, your church, or at your child's private school.

That only works if both sides follow the same rules. The left is pushing non-stop for liberalizing the culture and openly celebrating (and encouraging) behavior that the right discourages.

If the right doesn't push back, then it loses by default - because it didn't defend itself.

[HLPhat]

>>Im still trying to figure out exactly how the gay people I have met in my life, several own large businesses here the gaylanta, have in any single way effected my life?

Meanwhile in reality land the CDC has documented the clear relationship between a plethora of diseases and homosexual behavior.
https://www.google.com/search?q=cdc+homosexuality+disease

Has that affected American Culture much, Super Genius?

Hint:

Obama”care” is paying for the big-pharma cocktails required to keep the HIV positive perverts alive. Who’s paying for that again?

Are those “large businesses”, run by your homosexual associates, created things that have become objects of cultural worship; and is that working out any better than the previous iteration of cyclical cultural symptoms described in Romans chapter 1?

Rom 1:25-32

25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

NIV

[MortMan]

I do not have a problem with individuals being homosexual - that is a choice they can make.

I do have a problem with a potent lobby making it illegal to practice one’s religion in everyday life if that religion says anything against homosexuality. That is a clear violation of the first amendment, when the laws of the land punish protected religious viewpoints and “speech” (such as not baking a cake).

Please do not conflate the fight against the homosexual agenda with a fight against homosexual individuals. That is the liberal left’s tactic to paint the right into a corner from which the right is not allowed to defend itself.

[MortMan]

I don’t support sodomy either; but I do not want to live in a country that imprisons and abuses homosexuals.

Nice strawman and false dichotomy you have there. It is the christians who dare to publicly embrace their religion (and thereby refuse to celebrate the homosexual cause) that are being abused and imprisoned.

[Mr. Jeeves]

I actually took Thiel’s words to mean that liberals’ ongoing diatribes about the need for gender neutral bathrooms was senseless.

So did I. Wasting time attacking the Thiels of the world when Joseph Stalin is at the doorstep is the height of misplaced effort.

[5thGenTexan]

This was Trump’s convention.

This is his vision for America. Nothing was presented onstage he didn’t want (yes, Trump wanted the Cruz drama - it is a reality show world now).

Embrace it.

[HLPhat]

>>im sure I will think of something

Why was the demoralization of American culture a strategic objective?

http://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=bezmenov+demoralization

[HLPhat]

"The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already for the last 25 years. Actually, it's over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. Even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him the concentration camps...he will refuse to believe it.... until he is going to receive a kick in his fat bottom.

 

When the military boot crashes - then he will understand.  But not before that.  That's the tragedy of the situation of demoralization. "

--KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov

--Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)

 

[Maelstorm]

I watched the speech and I didn’t get the same impression that this author did. I got the distinct impression that Thiel thought the push on the bathroom issue was a distraction altogether not from the conservative side but from the left. It wasn’t conservatives that made bathrooms an issue. It was radical lgbt and the left does push these culture wars as a distraction and a way to marginalize us but that is where I reach a disagreement with Thiel in that I believe it is absolutely critical that we do not surrender the culture or the language.

It was refreshing to see a gay man who didn’t make his speech about his identity and I think in general he wasn’t trying to attack conservatives but simply to show that as Americans we have a common ground that transcends our personal sins. I would never say that I’m proud of someone’s gayness but I can certainly stand with them to Make America Great Again provided they will not muzzle me with PC bs and understand that I will never be their ally in deconstructing gender norms and other nonsense. I also will stand against ISIS and muslim radicalism with them.

[rb22982]

Yes unfortunately it was a huge success. But you aren't going to win it in the election for a lot of reasons, including the two most important ones

1) Most people now lean left or are left socially and the next generation (mine) is even worse
2) The Republicans that do get elected as socially right really don't care..nothing but lip service

You want to win the culture war? You are going to have to do what the Dems did. Get conservatives into academia in mass - both collegiate and lower levels INCLUDING who decides the material, get conservatives into media positions in mass, get conservatives into hollywood in mass, etc. And get rid of all the tax benefits for having kids, which is encouraging people to have kids out of wedlock. In the meantime, the best chance you have at moving socially right in the near term is to get people economically independent. People that are economically independent are significantly more conservative in all aspects of their social life (look at the 80s when people felt great about their economic prospects), even if their political views lean/skew left socially and are less likely to vote for people like Clinton.

[ConservativeMind]

Wow. Thank you for that.

[HLPhat]

>>provided they will not muzzle me with PC bs and understand that I will never be their ally 

"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;

 

...

 

 that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. "

 

"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"

--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786

https://www.google.com/webhp?#q=truth%20is%20great%20and%20will%20prevail%20if%20left%20to%20herself

 

Meh. Stupid Jefferson.  What did he know.

[wyowolf]

Sigh, I should have listened to my fathers advice. Never argue with an idiot...

enjoy your ghey hating days...

I guess you must also be against Trump because he clearly supported them... Hitlary thanks you.

[JeffAtlanta]

Maybe you should create a religious party? To be clear, I’m being serious and not snarky.

This country is fighting for its survival against something tangible (open borders and unfair trade deals) and Cruz-type thinking is going to prevent any of those issues from being addressed.

[HLPhat]

"Most of it is done by Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. Even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him the concentration camps...he will refuse to believe it.... until he is going to receive a kick in his fat bottom...

...When the military boot crashes - then he will understand.  But not before that.  That's the tragedy of the situation of demoralization."
--KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov
--Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)

 

What are moral standards?