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Pope Francis might jettison idea of a ‘just war’
AP ^ | May 26, 2016 | Maria J. Stephan

Posted on 05/27/2016 6:26:18 AM PDT by C19fan

Developed in the fifth century A.D. by St. Augustine, the doctrine of a “just war” empowers rulers to wage war only as a last resort to confront grave wrongs. As Augustine wrote: “Peace should be the object of your desire; war should be waged only as a necessity.”

Later, the Summa Theologica, written by St. Thomas Aquinas in the 1260s and 1270s, clarified that war could only be waged by a properly instituted authority like the state, that it could not occur for purposes of self-gain, and that attaining peace must be its central aim.

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To: headstamp 2

Which also means that the college of Cardinals are buffoons.

Just like the people that voted for Obama et.al.

It is profoundly depressing to see how deep a hole we are in.

Still we dig.


21 posted on 05/27/2016 7:05:29 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: exit82

Psalm 109:8.


22 posted on 05/27/2016 7:12:11 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

This too shall pass.


23 posted on 05/27/2016 7:12:59 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

24 posted on 05/27/2016 7:13:34 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: married21
The Church founded by Christ will persist.

Agreed. Though that may not be the Church currently based in Rome.


25 posted on 05/27/2016 7:13:53 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: BenLurkin

Actually the US-Japan relationship is an outstanding example of Just War making a lasting peace.

Japan launched a devastating sneak attack on us. We retaliated with the worst weapons ever devised by man.

Yet today, Japan is a closer friend and ally than those from whom we have a right to expect much more (I’m looking at YOU, Europe). And they have been virtually since that war ended.

It says something very profound about the power of forgiveness in the wake of a just war.


26 posted on 05/27/2016 7:16:09 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ecomcon

It is the opposite of the ‘80s.

Remember how we thought things were going our way because of that?


27 posted on 05/27/2016 7:19:36 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Civil disobedience works against moral folks. It fails utterly against immoral aggressors.

White people in America weren’t about to accept seeing black people arrested daily over the inability to sit at a lunch counter. The argument was correct and the action highlighted the need to change.

Pope Francis came in with a lot of expectations. He’s been a disappointment with how he seemingly wants to deliver Catholicism over to modernism at the expense of theological support.


28 posted on 05/27/2016 7:21:08 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Amen to that.


29 posted on 05/27/2016 7:22:45 AM PDT by exit82 (Road Runner sez:" Let's Make America Beeping Great Again! Beep! Beep!")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No, he embraced it.

Worst pope evah!


30 posted on 05/27/2016 7:24:19 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: C19fan

As long as he replaces it with the HOLY WAR and destroys the muslim infidels...right...pfffffff


31 posted on 05/27/2016 7:28:26 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Bogey78O

This country’s turn from racism began in the 1840’s. With people who knew it was wrong from reading their Bible. By 1960 the process was getting pretty close to completion. The majority felt that black people being forced to use separate water fountains, being turned away from lunch counters, Jackie Robinson being denied employment despite being highly qualified.....was abhorrent.


32 posted on 05/27/2016 7:37:57 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: C19fan

Maybe he could just jettison himself from the papacy instead.


33 posted on 05/27/2016 7:44:06 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: sasherm13
So does that mean he’ll be getting rid of the Swiss Guard?

Exactly. Unless he can justify the removal of the Pontifical Swiss Guard from the Vatican, he's being hypocritical.

When someone is coming at you with a knife, it is very ineffective to "passively" resist him.

Even Jesus said, "...he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Luke 22:36 (partial)

34 posted on 05/27/2016 7:55:22 AM PDT by Egon
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To: the OlLine Rebel

What do you mean?


35 posted on 05/27/2016 7:58:59 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: C19fan

When the mooselimbs are at the walls of the Vatican and all sorts of men are being dragged from the palace and raped, forced to convert and killed including the fuehrer pope, let me know how he feels about the idea of a “just war”.


36 posted on 05/27/2016 8:07:33 AM PDT by jrestrepo (See you all in Galt's gulch)
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To: C19fan
“Faith and violence are incompatible,” he repeated in a 2013 mass prayer gathering at the Vatican.

Natural rights are God given, and imply a God given natural duty to preserve and protect them. This implies that one has a perfect right to use force to preserve or protect one's God given natural rights.

37 posted on 05/27/2016 8:32:38 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Even the worst popes didn’t change Church theology.

Correct: which means he is NOT the pope.

If he or his Vatican-2 Council predecessors have as private individuals knowingly rejected Church doctrines or dogmas then they are no longer Catholic - same rule for everyone.

It is by Divine Law and the teaching of the Church Herself that if they are no longer Catholic then they cannot be the earthly head of the Mystical Body of Christ of which they are not a member. It applies whether they were heretics before or after their respective elections, but in all of these cases it was before election.

Catholic theological citations of this

38 posted on 05/27/2016 8:35:04 AM PDT by SGNA
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Nowhere in the article does he say what the headline says. Typical liberal BS


39 posted on 05/27/2016 10:18:06 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: C19fan
Like his predecessors of the past 50 years, he has called for the abolition of war

There's that post-Vatican II pattern rearing its ugly head again

40 posted on 05/27/2016 3:03:26 PM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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