Posted on 04/27/2016 10:27:56 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
I have a message for all the Trumpsters. Your behavior and antics in the past couple of months, and the antics of your "savior", The Donald, have made my decision about who to vote for, and who NOT to vote for in November easy.
If your guy is the nominee for the Republican Party, he WILL lose in November, and YOU WILL OWN IT. Because I will NEVER vote for that statist socialist, parasitic, steaming pile of obama.
Now, I've been told that JimRob is banning anyone who states publicly that they will not vote for trump. So be it. I have enjoyed Jim's friendship for many years, and I'll be sorry to lose it, but I WILL NOT surrender my principles that easily. Herewith is an article by Herschel Smith, that encapsulates my thoughts.
I have said for a very long time to my family and others that the experience of parents having and raising children isn’t really about the children. God will handle the children as He sees fit. It’s about the parents, and there are two experiences that test your mettle more than any other: marriage and children. It’s one of God’s way of sanctifying His own, but it has the opposite affect on others.
One reason I care about the election cycle isn’t because I think we can make a difference. Oh, we can in some ways, we can’t in others. We can make a difference in the medical care situation in the country, but we can’t in the global financial system. This discussion is saved for another time. But one thing the individual vote does at one and the same time is affect the soul and show the content of the soul of the voter. It’s a deeply moral act that has eternal consequences for the one who is given stewardship of the vote.
Now let me turn for a moment to a recent commentary by Jonah Goldberg. Sometimes I disagree vehemently with him, but other times he hits on all cylinders. This day the engine was running to perfection on the dynamometer.
This week there have been some cracks in the façade. Trump’s attacks on Heidi Cruz unsettled even Ann Coulter. And his abortion remarks are still sending tremors through the granite foundations of Trump can-do-no-wrong-ism. Joe Scarborough and Breitbart’s John Nolte are talking about what a bad week he’s having and gravely warning Trump to get his act together. As Jim Geraghty has been writing, the problem with such second thoughts is the assumption that something is amiss with Trump or his campaign. This is Trump. This is his campaign. The Trump we see before us is the same Trump. It’s a bit like when Barack Obama said that the Jeremiah Wright he saw denouncing America wasn’t the man he knew. That was nonsense. Obama knew exactly who Wright was, having attended his church for 20 years. It was only when Wright’s act moved to a larger national stage that all of a sudden he became inconvenient to Obama.
The analogy isn’t perfect, of course. But the basic point is the same. The Donald Trump of the last week is the exact same Donald Trump many of us saw a year ago or five years ago. He’s always been full of sh*t. He’s always been a total ignoramus when it comes to public policy, lacking the simple sense of patriotic duty to do his homework on the issues. He’s always been a nasty and boorish cad. He’s always pretended to be a conservative while working on liberal assumptions of what conservatives want to hear.
His “punish the women” comments were of a piece with his refusal to condemn the Klan on CNN. It’s not that he wants to punish women who have abortions — I’d bet he’s paid more abortion bills than he will ever sign — it’s that he thinks that’s what pro-lifers want to hear. It’s not that he’s a Klansman or that the pillowcases at Mara Lago come with eyeholes cut out in advance. It’s that Trump thinks lots of his fans like the Klan and he wants to pander to them. I have heard first-hand stories from people who’ve worked with Trump about how he disparages women’s appearance routinely. That’s who he is. If you’re attacking him because he retweeted a bad picture of Heidi, that’s not you being principled, it’s you getting cold feet. Indeed, I am sure that the same opportunism that has caused so many supposedly principled conservatives to hitch their wagons to Trump is now causing some of them to question their choices, not because Trump has changed but because the climate might be changing around them. By all means, if Trump continues to unravel (a huge if), please abandon Trump. But don’t think for a moment that the rest of us will automatically take your word for it when you say this or that statement changed your mind about the man. He hasn’t changed, your calculations have.
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Like all demagogues, he’s using his lies as a loyalty test for his followers. He’s exploiting his popularity and abusing the devotion of his fans to force them into going along with his fictions, until they are in so deep psychologically, they have no choice but to carry on. It’s an ancient psychological tactic of authoritarians, Mafia dons, and the like: Force your followers into sharing the blame for your misdeeds so that they can’t break ranks.
Jonah is right. He thinks we want to see women who have gotten abortions in the town center in stocks and chains. He’s pandering to the social right, but he missed on this, and he missed badly. His other positions – support for the second amendment, advocacy for closed borders – can only be assumed to be pandering as well.
Not to worry, though. Just about as soon as he said it, he triangulated his position again, to something like abortion laws are already set and we have to leave it that way. Trumps views on abortion aren’t the topic here. Trump is the topic. He is a mirror in which everyone sees what he or she wants to see, its just that the mirror has to be adjusted based on the onlooker and Trump isn’t really as good a triangulator as he is made out to be.
And that brings me to the conservative voters who have already cast their votes for Trump in the primaries heretofore. Do you remember when socialized medicine was the most important thing about the Obama administration, the holy grail of the progressives? It still is.
And yet, you have jettisoned that most important piece of your world view to support a man who sees things far differently than you, who supports socialized medicine, and who has said that the only thing he would change about the current system is to allow it to cross state lines.
Trump has woven you into his deception, his lies, his evil. And when socialized medicine is codified and solidified for you, your children, and your children’s children to the tenth generation of your progeny, when you see that your seed will hate you and this generation for what has been done to the country, it will be far too late.
Open wide, and suck it down. This is what you voted for, whether in the end it’s Hillary or Trump, or some replacement for Hillary. Own it. It’s yours. The Mafia don asked you to pull the trigger and do the deed. It’s no longer about him. Now it’s about you.
lol
Got a couple of those today, didn’t we?
It begins or ends with Trumptards, TrumpChumps, Trumpees, etc.
But WE are the bad guys, ya know.
Remember libbylu? “Trumpees, here’s my opus!”.
He’s so special that he needs you to know how special he is and after he’s gone, only then will you realize how special he was. If you missed it, he might do another opus. After embarrassing himself here.
Or he could do basic math and find out that slick Teddy ain’t gonna win. Oh, Ted and the GOP Establishment are gonna try, mind you.
Same old lies. Easily proven to be lies...
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform
Then you may as well vote for Hillary.
Every four years, it brings them slithering and crawling out of the woodwork. It's like some weird, political sort of catnip for online malcontents and psychotics. ;)
Agreed
Donald Trump CANNOT do what he's a claiming to do...PERIOD!! THERE WILL BE NO WALL BUILT..!! Anyone who thinks that will happen...is crazy as Joe Biden.
So, people that support Trump, and hope he's serious regarding his publicly announced campaign promises (that have been consistent on a daily basis for close to a year) should be classified crazy as Joe Biden.
Nice!
Yep, seems like you've got a free pass to support Hitlery alright, have fun with your Get-Out-Of-Zot pass ;-)
Same here.
Where I run into a problem is with the realization that this is also a propaganda war.
And when Ted Cruz fanboys are reduced to parroting every single piece of GOPe anti-Trump propaganda, then they've simply become a tool of the Enemy, whether witting or not.
Combine that with the same insults which they decry when directed at themselves, and you've got a situation where a small vocal minority are having a disproportionate influence on the situation.
So when the "NeverTrump" zealots start rubbing the site owner's nose in their BS, they deserve to get the zot, IMHO.
If all they can offer is to dutifully carry the water of the GOPe/Cruz/contested convention crowd, then I certainly won't miss their thoughtful voices.
Perhaps the die-hard Cruz supporters who remain should focus on their candidate's positive vision of America's future, rather than simply blindly pushing the "NeverTrump" agitprop, and acting as total dupes of the GOPe.
Almost this entire community was for Ted Cruz at one point, and Ted Cruz has been displaced and defeated by Donald Trump, fair and square.
At the same time, Donald Trump has withstood an onslaught of relentless character assassination, much of it at the hands of hysterical Cruz fanboys. An all out, unfair, diabolical, slanted effort by the Left, Media, Establishment, GOPe, and a Cruz campaign whose tactics are indistinguishable from those corrupt insiders, has failed spectacularly.
I can't imagine any other candidate who could have withstood such an unholy alliance of power-mad haters.
Donald Trump has totally earned my support, and Ted Cruz has completely squandered my support.
Vote Trump
Perhaps, but for the first time in over a decade I see a glimmer of hope.
Think of Cruz and the budget fights over the last couple of years. Those were epic - and eye opening. He tried to get the pubbie leadership to have a spine, but he opened my eyes to the fact that they had preemptively surrendered to the dems.
So yes, I am grateful for his exposure of the establishment.
That is my point. People can and should, but apparently around here (and elsewhere), they don’t.
I’ve heard that Breitbart and Drudge are all in for Trump. I’ve also heard that Ace and Hotair are all in for Cruz. Not so for either (although they are pro Trump and Cruz respectively).
If you want to know what all in is, take a look at Redstate or NR. They’ve become unreadable.
<< culled his thoughts from Herschel Smith who culled his thoughts from Jonah Goldberg >>
Thanks for breaking it down and confirming it. After a couple paragraphs I lost track.
Romney was a GOPe idiot politican. I know some of his family from when I lived in Utah and they couldn’t stand him.
Never said that. I’m a conservative which is why I have never supported Cruz. I am also a Christian which is why I refuse to support those who use Christ to gain political power (Cruz).
Oh and I don’t live in a swing state so your argument is invalid.
One of the Bible Software companies, Logos, does a Theological “March Madness” where you vote for theologians in rounds (the discount the winners books).
I’m thinking we need to do an election of dead rock/pop stars along the same lines.
I haven’t been cheering and there were a lot of zots and many of us (including me) took a 6 month (or more) voluntary hiatus in order to not get zotted.
And for me, nothing has changed. I still won’t vote for a cultist or someone in bed with Mormons. At best it shows Cruz has zero discernment.
If all they can offer is to dutifully carry the water of the GOPe/Cruz/contested convention crowd, then I certainly won't miss their thoughtful voices.
It's gotten to a point where adult supervision is the only way to restore order to the forum. Thank goodness JimRob decided to put an end to the incessant rantings, attacks, and propagandizing, by a small (but vocal) contingent on this forum. That small number made this place a living hell for over eight months, with their never-ending attacks against the Republican front runner.
Over the last 100 days, Freeper DoughtyOne has run a daily caucus thread, where any Freeper could vote for the candidate of their choice. Throughout the exercise, Trump dominated the voting, yet the loudmouth Cruzombies kept pushing the idea that their guy was not only viable, but that he was dominating the primary race, and would soon vanquish Trump, who was beating the pants off him, all along.
I'm sorry, but that's simply destructive to the process, and to the goal of evicting the corrupt ruling class elites from Washington, as it falsely props up a candidate who is quietly accepting the full support of the political elites, and who isn't credible in any way on handling the existential threats we face as a nation.
I understand that a lot of conservatives have supported Ted Cruz throughout this primary, but in truth, the majority have not. Most of us were once in Ted's corner, but over time, our vetting revealed that he isn't nearly what he's cracked up to be. Not even close, in fact. So much so, that a strong majority developed, who were strongly turned off by the man's obvious failures to live up to our simple expectations. He really is not who most of us thought he was, in the beginning of the race.
I'm really sorry for the hurt feelings of so many Cruz supporters, but they just have not opened their eyes to the facts about the man. If they had, they would have already crossed over and joined us in supporting Trump for the nomination.
I'm really sorry for the hurt feelings of so many Cruz supporters, but they just have not opened their eyes to the facts about the man. If they had, they would have already crossed over and joined us in supporting Trump for the nomination.
That's so true, Windflier.
And a key word is vetting.
That process is now complete. Anyone who is still at that phase is far behind the curve.
And now we've reached the stage where that consensus has to be accepted to allow us to move forward.
There's no sense in Cruz fanboys crying over spilt milk, or to continue undermining the presumptive nominee with lines of attack which perfectly echo those of the Establishment/Media/GOPe. There's no place for echoing Enemy propaganda on this site, and, unfortunately, too many who dislike Donald Trump revel in exactly that.
It's time to unify.
Vote Trump
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