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Stone: Even If Trump Wins 1,237 Delegates, Cruz Could Use "Procedural" Means To take...
RealClear Politics ^ | April 20, 2016 | Tim Haines

Posted on 04/21/2016 4:28:44 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Trump strategist Roger Stone tells NJ 101.5 radio that even if Donald Trump wins a majority of pledged delegates to the Republican convention, Cruz will utilize "Trojan horse" delegates (who are bound to vote for Trump only on the first RNC nomination ballot) to vote on "procedural" matters in the Rules Committee or Credentials committee to block or disallow certain votes.

ROGER STONE: Unfortunately just because Donald Trump gets the 1,237 [delegates needed to win], doesn't mean we aren't going to have a brokered convention. My sources, who are pretty good in the Republican Party, indicate to me that Ted Cruz intends to work a "rules strategy" to try to euchre this nomination away from Donald Trump.

In kind of a shady, using political trickery and so on, utilizing these Trojan Delegates we have been talking about -- Where Trump delegates, from the results of the primary -- those seats are filled with non-Trump voters, non-Trump supporters who will vote against Trump on procedural issues in either rules or credentials that could be used to take away his majority.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Maryland; US: New York; US: Ohio; US: Texas
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To: plewis1250

I have nothing against Texas. If Cruz won big states elsewhere and showed that he could be a formidable national candidate, I’d support him enthusiastically. But Texas alone, with a handful of other states, most of which would vote Republican anyway, does not impress me.

I want to win this November. Not be landslided by a Marxist Witch or a befuddled socialist from Vermont.

I gave Cruz the chance to show us he could win nationally. He failed. And I’m not impressed with his inside baseball parlor tricks of purloining delegates that were rightfully won by somebody else.


121 posted on 04/21/2016 7:42:46 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

This is starting to PI$$ ME OFF!


122 posted on 04/21/2016 7:43:48 AM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: norwaypinesavage
If Trump’s team Cruz put as much effort into WINNING delegates votes, instead of WHINING about Cruz stealing delegates, he might actually have a first ballot chance.
123 posted on 04/21/2016 7:49:20 AM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: Nita Nupress
"...I've been saying for weeks he either has some serious mental issues or we're being set up for election theft by the GOPe. Someone ping me when we have definitive proof of either one."

The only proof of "election theft" needed is the decision to seek the office of POTUS.
Never trust anyone that tries to destroy our U.S. Constitution, especially anyone that promises you everything that you want while trying to convince you to overlook one small technicality.

THERE IS A REASON FOR THE NBC REQUIREMENT TO BE POTUS.

Cruz, Rubio, and Jindal are NOT eligible to be President OR V.P.

All 3 know that and chose to run anyway, proving that at best, none of them respect the Constitution, and will RATIONALIZE ANYTHING to satisfy their own ambitions and desires; and at worst, WILL BE LIKE OBAMA - A MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE.

Electing one of those 3 would completely destroy our Constitution, our Freedoms, our culture, and our country - if not immediately, then soon thereafter.

124 posted on 04/21/2016 7:50:02 AM PDT by RebelTex (Jus Soli + Jus Sanguinis = NBC)
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To: Mom MD
In 1776, Thomas Jefferson wrote:


Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

Most states have polls open all day, have early voting, and have absentee voting, to enable as many people as possible to participate. These caucuses today seem anachronistic, and harks back to a time when the people complained about governmental processes being intentionally scheduled to stifle participation and coerce outcomes.

We once fought a revolution over things like this.

-PJ

125 posted on 04/21/2016 7:52:56 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Trumpinator

I have pride in the fact that I’m supporting someone whom can pull together a coalition of delegates, not a flash in the pan populist.

Cruz was up against 16 other candidates when running in Texas. Trump, 3.

Yet, Cruz managed 1,239,393 votes, awarding him 67% of the delegates.

Trump, in a state with a slightly smaller population, only managed 524,936 votes.

Cruz had 2.5 times as many people vote for him in his state than Trump did.

Cruz even carried his own district, Trump did not.

Cruz can win not be procedural delegate shuffling, but by actually representing the majority of the party at the convention.

It can, and very likely will happen.


126 posted on 04/21/2016 7:54:54 AM PDT by plewis1250 (The pecking order: Christian, American, Conservative)
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To: PA-LU Student
One could make the argument that it being winner take all the losing cadidates voters are not being represented at all. Just a thought though

You say it's a thought but I think that's generous. Explain the equivalence, please, between Trump winning a winner take all state, and Cruz, taking all the delegates where no vote was taken.

127 posted on 04/21/2016 7:55:53 AM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: LMAO
There’s no procedural means planned or contemplated by anyone.

You know this...how, exactly?

Did anyone contemplate Trojan horse delegates?

128 posted on 04/21/2016 7:58:15 AM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
It’s on the agenda.

You're giving wayyyy too much credence to Stone. The guy is full of more sh*t than a prison sewer, and lives for his next conspiracy theory. He's a nutjob who should be ignored.

129 posted on 04/21/2016 7:59:30 AM PDT by ScottinVA (OK, OK... Trump is God... is that better?)
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To: plewis1250
We are NOT a democracy, we are a republic...

Wrong, dumb@ss. We're a democratic republic.

We have a representative government, NOT A REPRESENTATIVE VOTE.

130 posted on 04/21/2016 8:05:32 AM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: LMAO
Well, if Trump gets to 1237 and we find out he didn’t get the nomination, then I’ll get angry.

Everyone stand back!!!

(as if)

131 posted on 04/21/2016 8:07:46 AM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: gogeo
We have a representative government, NOT A REPRESENTATIVE VOTE.

Is the election of the President by the Electoral College an example of a "representative vote"?

132 posted on 04/21/2016 8:08:49 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: gogeo

Everyone stand back!!!

(as if)


See what happens when someone escapes from their four-point restraints and the rubber room is allowed access to a computer


133 posted on 04/21/2016 8:10:30 AM PDT by LMAO (" I probably identify more as Democrat," Donald Trump 2004)
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To: redgolum
The GOP is a private corporation. They don’t have to let anyone in they don’t want to.

I'm thinking they already regret that being stated...and it's going to get a lot worse.

134 posted on 04/21/2016 8:11:44 AM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

No, those at the conference are discussing this now. The RNC committee has no binding authority on the rules changes. But they do make recommendations. It is being discussed for real. Ted Cruz is there now.


135 posted on 04/21/2016 8:14:00 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: tacticalogic

No, not if the electors vote in accordance with the voting results from their states. Then they are merely a tool, not an actor.


136 posted on 04/21/2016 8:16:27 AM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: sickoflibs

Marxism = delegate loyalty ?

Marxism = not changing & rigging the rules?

Marxism = fairness and honest voting?

Not in my world.


137 posted on 04/21/2016 8:17:34 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: gogeo
No, not if the electors vote in accordance with the voting results from their states. Then they are merely a tool, not an actor.

Voting in accordance with the voting results from their state is what, by definition, makes them "representative".

138 posted on 04/21/2016 8:19:48 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
No, representative government has always worked such that elected representatives were sent to exercise their own judgment. Not so with the electoral college.

The electoral college would work the same if no electors were involved.

139 posted on 04/21/2016 8:22:56 AM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: gogeo

This is starting to PI$$ ME OFF!
-————__________

It’s pissing you off because you want it to. Let’s wait and see what happens before we get into flying spittles of frenzy, first

Fair enough? Any candidate who gets the nomination over Trump if Trump gets the 1237 would be unelectable in the extreme

I’ve heard too many rumors this election cycle


140 posted on 04/21/2016 8:26:38 AM PDT by LMAO (" I probably identify more as Democrat," Donald Trump 2004)
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