Posted on 03/22/2016 10:43:27 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
Just got back from my caucus... My head is still spinning.
Check in was slow but reasonably controlled. Super-long lines. I've never seen turnout like this.
Got my credentials, but no presidential ballot. They said those would be delivered to our caucus room.
Got to my caucus room. I counted about 120 people there (no idea how many were actually registered and credentialed).
We elected Precinct Officers, State Delegates, and County Delegates - the typical incompetence and ignorance of the rules you'd expect to see from volunteers, but all went somewhat smooth.
...Then came the Presidential Ballot.
Someone shows up with a stack of probably 250 ballots. The precinct chair splits them up, and starts handing stacks of them out and tells people "take one and pass it down".
No checking credentials, IDs, NOTHING.
I'm sitting at the end of a row and people start handing me stacks of extras. I literally had over 50 ballots in my hand.
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We were told to mark our vote and place our ballot in a tin can. They then asked for a volunteer to hold the can. At this point, most people filed out the door.
I cast ONE vote, then stuck around to see what would happen with the votes.
About 15 minutes later, with only about 10 or so people milling around, someone walks in the room with an envelopes STUFFED full of "absentee" ballots - some envelopes having 2-5+ ballots.
I raised a question and said, "isn't there an absentee process already in place? Didn't people have to register for that last week?" and was told "Oh no, this is completely normal".
As I've mentioned in other threads, I was in Party leadership for 6 years and no, this is absolutely not normal.
I then asked if I could observe the vote count, and I was told my observations where not needed and to leave the area while the ballots were being counted.
I left the room (things were already a complete Charlie Foxtrot at this point) and wandered over to my friends precinct caucus to see if it was just as much a cluster.
His caucus was just getting to the presidential ballot, and as I walked in the door I was handed ANOTHER BALLOT.
Again, no credential check, no ID check, NOTHING.
No, I didn't vote again...
I went back to my precinct and they had the results: 74% Cruz 14% Trump 11% Kasich
Now just imagine this kind of outright incompetence/manipulation happening in 2000 precincts across the state.
As I left the building, I started overhearing results coming back from other precincts... Overwhelmingly numbers for Cruz... Like 70-90% or more. (In one precinct Cruz got around 100, Trump had 2, Kasich 0)
Bottom line... They basically are going to post whatever the hell numbers they want.
There were no apparent controls, no credential checks, no ID checks, and ballots being handed around like napkins.
UTAH RESULTS ARE A COMPLETE SHAM
And it just cost Trump 40 delegates.
Your remarks about Melania are uncalled for. You are the sleazy one - you should be ashamed of your self.
Even stranger. The only place where voted fraud exits is where Cruz Wins.
but only if Cruz is white and male...
Utah voted for the white male ultra-liberal Mormon Democrat over Mia Love the black female Conservative Mormon Republican
Mia had those strikes against her black female
2 years later Mia ran again and this time she didn’t have a Mormon running as the Democrat opposite her so the Morg let her win...
LOL, It looks like Cruz got the “Lyings”:share of the votes in this heavily Mormon state. Perhaps, a litmus test to vote might be in order in the future.
Utah has 40
I believe this because it comes from a site that features UFOs and conspiracy theories. /sarc
No kidding
It made me think damn these folks truly do listen to church elders
But your version makes more sense
Pretty immoral behavior from people who pride themselves otherwise
You are right. This is NO way to choose our public officials.
Utah will do whatever the Morg thinks will be beneficial to the Morg..
they would have gone for carter in 1980 but carter was “persecuting” them to stop being racist and allow black men to join and be priesthood holders like the white males...
so in 1978 they let the black males join and to punish carter they had the Mormon peasants all vote for the much hated Ronald Reagan...
they must have been in a quandary that year on who they hated the most...
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Interesting history lesson...Had not heard this before :)
If you know of a freeper who saw it in Nevada please post it
Thatcher is a freeper in good standing who I think if memory serves me right supported Cruz like I did in the beginning
What I find odd is that lying Ted can’t win the Evangelical vote, but wins the Mormon vote. This is rich for comment, but, I will refrain.
Electoral votes, not primary delegates.
St George also has polygamy under the radar no?
I’m not picking a fight and am not a Mormon basher but I think I remember driving thru years ago and seeing these big dorm looking frame houses
Yet another example of detestable Cruz bot opining here
Nasty people
You trumpsters should show some class and be glad that Rubio got out. Otherwise Donald comes in 4th place.
He meant electoral college votes dear
But you’re right it’s 40 delegates and they made sure Cruz got 50.1%
Do the elders really have that much influence
Show some class.
Not Melania’s ass.
BS... you somehow remember who other FREEPERS supported 6 months ago.
Please trumpsters...just stop with the lies...or join the democrats.
In the same county (Washington County) but no, not here in St. George. The FLDS is on the Utah/AZ border, but still in this county. We DO see them in the big box stores here, however. They are quite the sight. Usually, when they hop out of the van, someone will holler the pejorative term to them “Polygs!” (pronounced “pligs”) It is the equivalent of hollering the N-word at a van of black folks...quite insulting.
There is a more modern polygamy thing going south of here (but in AZ) known as Centennial Park.
It’s simple
Their Christianity is plain different
They can believe as they want or born into
I would never say otherwise but when I read Smiths musings it gives me pause
And I like Mormons as a rule
It’s such an unusual happenstance just popping up in New York and the Midwest based on the dreams of one man and predicated on sexual mores that folks had to find troubling
Great way to very quickly expand a brand new religion though
And once established then do away with what made the church what it was so fast....literally 2-4 generations
Does your average run of the mill parishioner believe the Moroni book and that Smiths dreams were real and divine as say the burning bush
I don’t know
I would not make a good Mormon given I’m non conformist and rebellious and anti authority by nature
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