Posted on 02/26/2016 12:41:29 PM PST by ConservativeTeen
Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump on Friday vowed to "open up" libel laws in order to sue media outlets that write "purposely negative" and "horrible" articles about him.
"I’m gonna open up our libel laws, so when they write purposely negative and horrible, false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money," Trump said at a rally in Fort Worth, Texas.
"We’re going to open up those libels laws," he added. "So that when The New York Times writes a hit piece, which is a total disgrace, or when The Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money."
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
I’m beginning to see why Trump is frustrated enough to want libel suits ramped up. I vehemently disagree with him, but talk about ‘immune to data’.
Trump critics are arguably more immune to data than Trump supporters.
First off, Trump University. His critics are immune to this truth ...
TRUMP UNIVERSITY HAS A 98% APPROVAL RATING
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3402515/posts
The dirty little secret is that crony politics attempts to destroy upstart colleges with unfair standards, double standards, etc.
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Secondly ...
The abuse the poor Poles suffered under Trump.
Guess what? My work conditions and pay were a lot worse than theirs back in the 80s, not to mention they were defectors from the Soviet bloc.
Not that any Trump critic ever bothers to listen or care, the only reason they were illegal immigrants was because democrats hate Christians who know the truth about communism. They prefer immigrants who hate Christians, hate liberty, and join street gangs.
On this thread. Those who tried to defend his libel goal have given up. Some Trump supporters have flat-out disagreed with him.
But of course, we’re the ones immune to data, not our critics. Right?
As for the sophistry echoed about his immigration plan, I will now post it [addressed to ‘whoever’ since most of his critics are immune to data, such as bothering to read his actual plan] ...
Of course, most Trump critics refuse to be confused by the facts, but here they are for ‘whoever’ ...
Immigration Reform That Will Make America Great Again
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
The three core principles of Donald J. Trump’s immigration plan
When politicians talk about immigration reform they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.
Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first, not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:
1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.
2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.
3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.
Make Mexico Pay For The Wall
For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.
The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old woman’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the blood trail leads straight to Washington.
In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.
Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).
In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.
The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.
Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards,of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.
Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States
America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:
Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in Congressional testimony: Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission¦Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size. This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.
Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.
Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.
Detention, not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.
Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.
Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system [required by law but blocked by lobbyists] will be necessary as well.
Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children¦ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said no sane country would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.
Put American Workers First
Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled America’s incredible shrinking middle class: If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.
The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans [including immigrants themselves and their children] to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.
Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: We’ve become the visa clearinghouse for the world.
Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:
Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program’s lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.
Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.
End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.
Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.
Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.
Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women’s plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
How can I counter your rebuke? It’s all richly deserved.
Limited government. That’s conservatism.
Tougher lawsuits are not limited government.
The Federalist Party made the same mistake. They thought they were being wise patriots when they passed the Sedition Acts.
This most likely pales in comparison, but it’s in the same spirit.
I've never cited it.
Guess what? My work conditions and pay were a lot worse than theirs back in the 80s, not to mention they were defectors from the Soviet bloc.
Doing demolition work in a building with asbestos without dust masks is BS. I used one in the '70s. You can go to hell with that one.
Not that any Trump critic ever bothers to listen or care, the only reason they were illegal immigrants was because democrats hate Christians who know the truth about communism. They prefer immigrants who hate Christians, hate liberty, and join street gangs.
Cut with the projected reality. You don't know for a fact the real reason any more than anybody else does. That kind of fabricated "data" has become stock and trade for Trumpsters. The bottom line is that they were illegal, he imported them, paid them bottom dollar, for 12-7 work without overtime BECAUSE they were illegal. He even screwed some of them out of final paychecks. The only reason he wasn't criminally busted was that he set up a subcontractor who had never done that kind of work (IIRC a painter) to do the demolition, sign paperwork, and protect him from those liabilities. So cut with the "Mr. Nice Guy" crap. Trump was out to make money, period.
As for your sophistry quoting his immigration plan as if I hadn't read it, now you've pissed me off. You know damned well I've addressed and cited it, BECAUSE YOU SAID SO.
That is data.
Trump's plan has a loophole the size of Montana. He's repeated it in a national debate. The result will be that MILLIONS of current illegals will get to be "legal," as he has said MANY times. That means they will eventually vote, they will continue to wreck our schools and overload our social services for which they would then qualify in even greater numbers. That will result in conservatives being irrelevant to Trump, at which point he can go back to being a Democrat and may even run as one, as many of his policies make obvious.
NEVER ONCE has a Trump supporter confronted those data, and I have posted them MANY times. Even you, after your first comment, ignored the import.
Meanwhile, Cruz has since said publically he will be deporting illegals, and he has said he will bar them from ever having a way back in unless they leave before they are caught. That gives his plan the substantive demographic edge it lacked when I did the analysis, although he had implied as much.
When are you going to get that I am not a "Cruz" supporter? I am a Trump opponent. I defend either when warranted (in Trump's case it is rare). I criticize either when warranted. I stand for conservative policy, period.
I would have been a Federalist rather than a Ye Olde Republican, but the Sedition act was an an unconstitutional and perfidious piece of legislation that helped destroy that party.
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Arthur, you are the only Trump supporter that has visibly disagreed, as far as I can see.
It appears as though Trump has found Jim Jones’ crystal ball.
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Taking your responses one piece at a time.
For one thing — Mr. Nice Guy crap?
I’m fed up with guys who insinuate that Trump supporters are brown shirts. Do you expect to improve the level of discource with that kind of insinuation?
So that’s Point A.
Secondly, this ‘hiring illegal immigrnats’ claim. FACT — they were defectors from the Soviet Bloc. FACT — they were not gang bangers. FACT — immigration policy failed to accomodate. FACT — Democrats prefer muslims to Christian Poles. FACT — Democrats favor gang banger immigrants to those who want to work.
That’s Point B.
As for asbestos and the rest, Trump bashers have a funny way of burying their valid points with deception and petty spin. First I read of it. Not my point in any case. My point is that Trump bashers dig back 30 years, take things out of context, and look for any excuse to call him Hitler.
So yeah, I should cut out the ‘nice guy’ crap. You aren’t worth it! Go play with Glenn Beck, your slanderous buddy.
You missed Liz. She’s also a Trump supporter. I wonder how many other Trump supporters you overlooked?
And just so you know ....
‘Of course, **** most **** Trump critics refuse to be confused by the facts, but here they are for ‘whoever’ ...’
I assume you failed to catch that key word.
If you had been typical and half-brain-dead, I would not have wasted my time on you.
Now, here we are one day before Super Tuesday.
Polite pointers about how evil Trump is what have gained miles of traction with me. I begged people for months to help me vet him and get lame stuff about Soviet Bloc defefectors being illegal and loony tunes insinuations that he’s a facist.
Here we have a well reasoned article, one that I might have written. Look at the responses. There isn't a single Trup post on the first page that addresses content. They are all ANTI-Sasse and the poster. That is the essence of Trump support: Negativity.
Re your case in support of his hiring the Poles: FACT - They were illegal. FACT - He didn't hire Americans. FACT - He paid bottom dollar. FACT - He didn't pay legally required overtime. FACT - He supplied unsafe working conditions. FACT - He stiffed them on the contract. FACT - FACT - He expected the public to deal with the cost if the job made them sick. FACT - He defrauded the public with the contract.
The point of my post is that he is an ICON of the "cheap labor express," and therefore does not intend to deliver on what most people who support him expect of his program to deport all illegals. He is a fraud. So, your reply does not even begin to address the point of the citation. It is loud misdirection insinuating that my point is somehow biased against legitimate immigration, typical of a Trump supporter.
First I read of it. Not my point in any case. My point is that Trump bashers dig back 30 years, take things out of context, and look for any excuse to call him Hitler.
And there you attack me again instead of dealing with the content. You have supplied me with a fine example of exactly the hypocrisy of which you now stand accused.
I have alluded to Hitler with Trump, but not with regard to him as much as the mass psychology in response to the circumstances of 1933 that elected him. I think it's a legitimate parallel: a great nation brought to its knees, angry, desperate, and looking for a deliverer. What they found was a hyperbolic demegogue making vague and inflated promises, without regard for the constitutional limits on a prime minister. One otherwise has to ask how a sophisticated industrial culture could fall to such depravity. Well, in Trump and his followers, I'm seeing it now and am terribly concerned about where it goes. I have told you so. You know my scholarship, but gave that no heed.
I assume you failed to catch that key word.
And tarred me with it by association.
He IS a fascist. There are so many examples of it that I am not going to bother. Go look up what "facism" is and get back to me how he is not.
Okay, I’m calmed down now. Thank you for your reasonable post. I respect that and will try to give your response some serious thinking time.
This is the problem — super tuesday is tomorrow. The serious vetting time is over.
Anything now will appear like a trick, just like things that popped up at the last minute prior to other key primary moments, only now it counts triple.
‘He IS a fascist.’
The socialist side of facism isn’t Trump’s fault. The socialist side is based on modern education and hideous court precedent and, as you wrote, a lack of anti-federalism in the spirit of Patrick Henry when clauses and amendments were written.
As for the social side? He’s on a war footing against terrorism. And this particular idea of his [on this thread] is also a bad idea, but how are his plans outrageously at odds with wartime presidents?
Are you kidding? He LOVES the power to control.
He’s on a war footing against terrorism. And this particular idea of his [on this thread] is also a bad idea, but how are his plans outrageously at odds with wartime presidents?
Every wartime President we've had but for Lincoln failed to understand how Constitutional national defense is to be conducted. The States were to supply the troops.
You are failing to address the key point about Trump's fascism: state control of private enterprise. That he has come out for continued (and illegal) Federal land ownership, Federal control of medical care, and Federal direction of private enterprise are essentially fascist. The guy has no concept or appreciation for Constitutionally limited government.
“Way to stay on topic knuckle dragger”
Your tears are SOOOOO sweet!
TRUMP Sucka!
We are both talking around each other. You see, the words, ‘Hitler’ and ‘brownshirt’ tend to paint certain images. More on that later. For now, responding to a previous post ....
“Well, in Trump and his followers, I’m seeing it now and am terribly concerned about where it goes.”
God bless you for caring about our nation. But sometimes people care so much that they drive other people nuts!
“Here we have a well reasoned article, one that I might have written. Look at the responses. There isn’t a single Trup post on the first page that addresses content.”
Typical partizanship. It’s human nature and dominates supporters of all popular candidates, including Cruz supporters.
‘The point of my post is that he is an ICON of the “cheap labor express ...”
Back to basics — a contractor managed the entire thing with the Poles. Trump had deep pockets and was sued based on a loophole. So every aspect of the attack on Trump as ‘icon of illegal labor’ is probably more bogus than you might think.
You also mentioned Trump having possible mob ties. I heard Hannity talk with a lawyer last night. In New York it’s impossible to build anything unless you do business with shady characters. They even have monopolies there due to union laws and other regulations. Los Vegas? I suspect it’s even worse there. That’s undoubtedly why Cruz waited so long to bring it up. October surprise.
“So, your reply does not even begin to address the point of the citation.”
My point is more closely attuned to the thread — Trump wants tougher lawsuits because he’s feeling maliciously libeled.
Regardless of your points, Trump’s best known accusers are claiming that he’s a hypocrite on illegal immigration.
He said ‘thirty years ago’, and he’s absolutely right.
I don’t expect many people had much time to deliberate how silly it is to call him an icon of foreign labor IF Polish defectors of the Soviet Bloc are the best example.
That was all sizzle, and Trump’s team was given little time to counter it. For the first time I think he realized how amazing his accomplishments have been on this campaign trail and how near-impossible it would be for other business leaders to duplicate them.
**Maybe hedge fund investors could survive this political minefield, but how on earth could a genuine business leader who really gets involved with a particular enterprize come out without drawing back a stump? The real problem solvers don’t just play the market. They actually know how to make things happen. But our nation is so awash with counter-productive regulations and political pressures, and so many palms need to be greased just to do business, if Trump loses I doubt we will ever see a real problem solving business leader in the White House again. And even military leaders can be nitpicked the same way. How could Ike survive a modern campaign? [Not aiming this at you. But Cruz, Rubio, and others would have a chance to question Ike’s military decisions, his career, poker games, etc.]
“It is loud misdirection insinuating that my point is somehow biased against legitimate immigration ...”
When they attacked him over the Polish illegals 30 years ago — hired by a contractor — THAT was misdirection.
And you think this is about discrediting you? I don’t care how smart someone is: you need time to think and hash things out with other people. And you weren’t given that time.
Just as you wrote that the Constitution should not have been written in a vacuum and that the anti-Federalists ought to be involved, same here. When it comes to the constant deception of politics it can get almost as tricky as drafting a Constitution. It takes deliberation to sort things out properly.
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Brownshirt Warning
There is a possible brown shirtthreat, but not here in the US. I’ll post that next as a vanity piece, and you can choose to weigh in or not.
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