Utah Senate Votes to Repeal 17th Amendment

In a bit of unusual news, the Utah Senate voted 20-6 to ask Congress to repeal the 17th Amendment of the Constitution. The 17th Amendment allows for the direct election of senators. The bill's sponsor, Sen. Al Jackson (R-Highland) argued that the 17th Amendment was not what the founders of the country had intended and changed the meaning of the role of the senators.

Liar? That’s rich coming from a guy who tosses out one lie after another.

You have yet to manage to respond substantively to ANYTHING I’ve said pointing out your non-stop nonsense. You just keep changing the subject with more nonsense or spouting insults.

Here are the names of 6 PH-followers who came to regret it: Artman, Dowling, Golson, Gerstenkorn and Spitzer.

The DoJ complaints and court cases are on-line, you can look them up yourself. Those 6 alone were good for 140K+ in judgments. That’s just through 2008, there have been many more since.

Including PH and his wife being sent to federal prison because of his idiotic book.

PH, his wife and all of his followers put together have never won in any civil or criminal action or appeal. Not once. And they never will, no matter how many windmills they tilt at.

Before you dig your tax evasion hole any deeper, you should call that CPA you ditched 10+ years ago. He might save you some money, not to mention prison time. Unlike you, he actually knows what he’s talking about.

Relax, dude.

I realize that you’re way out of your depth and that you can’t make even the slightest semblance of a coherent argument, but there’s no need to act like a 3rd-grader.

If you were a liberal, I’d be encouraging you to dig your tax-evasion hole even deeper. Go for it. Screw the evil goobermint.

But, you’re supposedly a conservative, albeit one who is hideously ill-informed about tax law. I explained it in detail but your ignorance is truly invincible.

That’s classic self-serving TP behavior — love the result, as in no income tax due — but damn the multitude of inconvenient facts that prove them all to be blithering idiots.

Ask Irwin Schiff. Well, no, actually you can’t, he died in federal prison for his TP zero-return stupidity after, what was it? His 3rd federal conviction, or was it his 4th? I forget, there’ve been so many.

You, for instance, sorta like Irwin, won’t give up even when your lies have been beaten to a bloody pulp for days on end. It took years for the courts to beat his nonsense down, but it happened.

In his last criminal trial he admitted that he might be mentally ill. Then he tried to turn it into a defense. Didn’t work.

PH, another convicted federal tax felon on whose words you obviously hang — you link to his site and quote his fake case cites — is already a has-been TP “guru” as his very few remaining followers are quite mad about why they always lose and never, ever win.

So, go right ahead.

Try to cough up even a single victory by PH or any of his followers in any federal court for the nonsense you and PH put forth.

You can’t do it because no such thing exists. Nonsense always loses. Every single time. Over and over again. It’s totally predictable.

There’s nothing I can do if you want to keep drinking the TP Kool-Aid, regardless of the vendor — PH is just one of many.

You’re entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own facts.

I wish you a lot of luck, mainly because you’re gonna need a lot of it if you continue down the sad path that you’re on.

Facts:

You don't even know what PH & his wife were charged with, which had nothing to do with tax evasion.

Irwin Schiff’s tax philosophy was not that of PH and I could drive my 18 wheeler through all the holes in the Schiff’s ignorance that landed him in jail.

And it is not the courts where one needs to see victories, the proof is in the 100,000’s of thousands of dollars returned every year to those who file educated returns and respond accordingly when questioned about them prior to their receiving 100% refunds.

And if what PH wrote is not true, then how is it that the feds were able to get Schiff’s book banned but not PH's? How come the feds failed 3x when trying to get the courts to ban PH's book and were forced to back down every time?

Yes, it is a fact that you are simply an uneducated citizen who relies on gossip rather than researching the facts for yourself.

Nothing to do with evasion, eh? You really are dense.

False filings are all about evasion. False numbers are filed which results in less or no tax due — you know, what most people call evading taxes. Which is why I use the term colloquially.

The feds tend to use false filing charges instead of the evasion statute because they are easier to prove. The end result is the same as the sentencing guidelines revolve around the tax loss and criminal history.

PH, who is also permanently enjoined from using his nonsense on his own returns caught 10 felony counts of filing false documents. Four false 1040s and 6 false 4852s.

Convicted on all 10 counts. Sentenced to federal prison.

And you want to quibble over which statute was used to convict him.

PH and Schiff are and were equally full of nonsense. I think everyone has a 1st amendment right to make a fool of themselves by publishing any nonsense they wish. In Schiff’s case, he — and only he — was banned from selling his book because it was held to be false commercial speech, commercial speech being less protected.

That the same principle had different results for PH doesn’t say anything about his book being “true” at all. In fact, it’s total nonsense from cover to cover.

He’s the idiot who went to prison because of his nonsense and his “educated” returns. Just like Schiff. So keep driving, PH’s ignorance is at least as great as was Schiff’s.

BTW, I recommend that you read judge Buch’s take-down of PH and CtC and CtC “educated” returns.

http://www.ustaxcourt.gov/InOpHistoric/WaltnerMemo.Buch.TCM.WPD.pdf

Most federal judges, whether District or Circuit or Tax Court don’t bother with details when they’re faced with total nonsense. They usually just quote Crain v. Commissioner:

“We perceive no need to refute these arguments with somber reasoning and copious citation of precedent; to do so might suggest that these arguments have some colorable merit.”

Judge Buch actually took the time.

Pretty amazing. Shocking, actually. Most of them can’t be bothered by nitwits and other purveyors of total junk and really, really stupid nonsense.

Buch wrote a comprehensive, detailed opinion, which he certainly didn’t have to do. It was a slap-down of another of PH’s idiot adherents, namely Steven Waltner.

Needless to say, Waltner lost. They all do. And he was sanctioned $2,500 by Buch for delaying and wasting the court’s time. Waltner was lucky, the sanction could have been up to 25K.

Buch takes PH’s useless book apart, chapter by chapter. Cover to cover. It’s a classic delineation of the fact that what you seem to think is the “truth” is utter and total rubbish and nonsense. And why it loses every single time.

Read and be warned. The only reason you haven’t been called to account for your self-admitted tax evasion is that the IRS is incompetent.

Slow to figure things out. Stupid, as in believing rubbish people like you spout. Anyone at the IRS who bought your BS was obviously a low-level employee, not someone who knew what they were doing. Close enough for government work, right?

Works for a while. But, even the idiotic government figures things out eventually. Took them years to catch on to PH and all the rest of them.

If you ever receive any IRS correspondence from Ogden, UT, you’ll know that you’re now on the TP griddle. Ogden is where they send all of the returns they think might be from evaders/TPs. You know, as in fraudulent. They have an entire office devoted to pursuing people like Schiff, PH and their followers. Like you.

Once you’re on that radar, you’re screwed. There’s no longer any question that you’ll be sued for amounts due if you don’t pay upon demand, the question becomes whether your case merits referral to the Criminal Investigation Division. Oops.

I really don’t care if you want to expose yourself to civil suit and/or criminal indictment as you play your stupid little TP tax evasion games. You might get away with it for another 10 years.

Then again, you might not.

The IRS doesn’t like morons squawking about getting away with evading taxes. And this is a public forum. IRS and DoJ people read forums like this looking for idiots who brag about their tax evasion.

Probably not a good thing to do, huh?

I’ll bet you do file “several” tax forms with the IRS annually.

Let’s see. Start with a false 1040.

To that, add one or more false “corrected” 1099s. Problem is that the only entity capable of filing a corrected 1099 is the original filer. That ain’t you. That’s whoever paid you the money you don’t want to report. So, instead, you make stuff up. Bad idea.

And, then, how about some false 4852s? Nothing like admitting guilt by taking a specific action to carry out your tax evasion by trying to zero-out your reported W-2 amounts by “correcting” them to zero, eh?

Sounds like a trifecta of false filings. 3 years in the pen plus 250K each, max. You’ll probably get 2-3 years or so, total. Go for it.

BTW, WorldNutDaily is full of it, as usual. The DH case has no implications for free speech or anything else. It only has implications for the idiotic DH. The guy who wrote that sorry excuse for an “article” is an idiot, not unlike you.

The judge ordered DH to file accurate returns. She refused. She was indicted, tried and convicted by a jury and sentenced for criminal contempt of court. It’s that simple.

Unless you believe in TP magic words that never, ever work.

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