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To: AntiScumbag
Facts:

You don't even know what PH & his wife were charged with, which had nothing to do with tax evasion.

Irwin Schiff’s tax philosophy was not that of PH and I could drive my 18 wheeler through all the holes in the Schiff’s ignorance that landed him in jail.

And it is not the courts where one needs to see victories, the proof is in the 100,000’s of thousands of dollars returned every year to those who file educated returns and respond accordingly when questioned about them prior to their receiving 100% refunds.

And if what PH wrote is not true, then how is it that the feds were able to get Schiff’s book banned but not PH's? How come the feds failed 3x when trying to get the courts to ban PH's book and were forced to back down every time?

Yes, it is a fact that you are simply an uneducated citizen who relies on gossip rather than researching the facts for yourself.

186 posted on 02/29/2016 7:01:45 AM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is - 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin

Nothing to do with evasion, eh? You really are dense.

False filings are all about evasion. False numbers are filed which results in less or no tax due — you know, what most people call evading taxes. Which is why I use the term colloquially.

The feds tend to use false filing charges instead of the evasion statute because they are easier to prove. The end result is the same as the sentencing guidelines revolve around the tax loss and criminal history.

PH, who is also permanently enjoined from using his nonsense on his own returns caught 10 felony counts of filing false documents. Four false 1040s and 6 false 4852s.

Convicted on all 10 counts. Sentenced to federal prison.

And you want to quibble over which statute was used to convict him.

PH and Schiff are and were equally full of nonsense. I think everyone has a 1st amendment right to make a fool of themselves by publishing any nonsense they wish. In Schiff’s case, he — and only he — was banned from selling his book because it was held to be false commercial speech, commercial speech being less protected.

That the same principle had different results for PH doesn’t say anything about his book being “true” at all. In fact, it’s total nonsense from cover to cover.

He’s the idiot who went to prison because of his nonsense and his “educated” returns. Just like Schiff. So keep driving, PH’s ignorance is at least as great as was Schiff’s.


187 posted on 02/29/2016 9:54:05 PM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: patlin

BTW, I recommend that you read judge Buch’s take-down of PH and CtC and CtC “educated” returns.

http://www.ustaxcourt.gov/InOpHistoric/WaltnerMemo.Buch.TCM.WPD.pdf

Most federal judges, whether District or Circuit or Tax Court don’t bother with details when they’re faced with total nonsense. They usually just quote Crain v. Commissioner:

“We perceive no need to refute these arguments with somber reasoning and copious citation of precedent; to do so might suggest that these arguments have some colorable merit.”

Judge Buch actually took the time.

Pretty amazing. Shocking, actually. Most of them can’t be bothered by nitwits and other purveyors of total junk and really, really stupid nonsense.

Buch wrote a comprehensive, detailed opinion, which he certainly didn’t have to do. It was a slap-down of another of PH’s idiot adherents, namely Steven Waltner.

Needless to say, Waltner lost. They all do. And he was sanctioned $2,500 by Buch for delaying and wasting the court’s time. Waltner was lucky, the sanction could have been up to 25K.

Buch takes PH’s useless book apart, chapter by chapter. Cover to cover. It’s a classic delineation of the fact that what you seem to think is the “truth” is utter and total rubbish and nonsense. And why it loses every single time.

Read and be warned. The only reason you haven’t been called to account for your self-admitted tax evasion is that the IRS is incompetent.

Slow to figure things out. Stupid, as in believing rubbish people like you spout. Anyone at the IRS who bought your BS was obviously a low-level employee, not someone who knew what they were doing. Close enough for government work, right?

Works for a while. But, even the idiotic government figures things out eventually. Took them years to catch on to PH and all the rest of them.

If you ever receive any IRS correspondence from Ogden, UT, you’ll know that you’re now on the TP griddle. Ogden is where they send all of the returns they think might be from evaders/TPs. You know, as in fraudulent. They have an entire office devoted to pursuing people like Schiff, PH and their followers. Like you.

Once you’re on that radar, you’re screwed. There’s no longer any question that you’ll be sued for amounts due if you don’t pay upon demand, the question becomes whether your case merits referral to the Criminal Investigation Division. Oops.

I really don’t care if you want to expose yourself to civil suit and/or criminal indictment as you play your stupid little TP tax evasion games. You might get away with it for another 10 years.

Then again, you might not.

The IRS doesn’t like morons squawking about getting away with evading taxes. And this is a public forum. IRS and DoJ people read forums like this looking for idiots who brag about their tax evasion.

Probably not a good thing to do, huh?


188 posted on 03/01/2016 4:44:06 AM PST by AntiScumbag
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