Posted on 02/13/2016 9:35:55 PM PST by Helicondelta
During tonight's CBS Republican presidential debate, Donald Trump was the only candidate to address the news that Carrier will be sending hundreds of American jobs to Mexico.
The GOP frontrunner said that under a President Trump, Carrier would stay and "build in the United States because we are killing ourselves with trade pacts that are no good for us and no good for our workers."
Video footage emerged yesterday, which went viral, capturing the anger and heartache of 1,400 Indianapolis workers who were informed that they soon would be out of work, as their company will be sending their jobs to Mexico. The New York Post described the video as "stomach-turning."
The company representative tried to quiet the crowd, as workers of different races and ethnicities cried out in outrage and despair. "Let's quiet down," the company representative said in the video.
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Many here do believe in socialism when it comes to maintaining jobs where the cost of that job makes the products unprofitable
Nice, the Marxists have been pushing this Smoot Hawley tariff BS for years. It is a lie.
Excellent post. I liked that Trump brought the issue up. But I kept waited for him to add what you said, and he didn't. Dr. Carson, however, did earlier mention something along this line of thought. Trump should have picked up on that.
I understand what you mean, but are we just supposed to watch all of our jobs leave the US? The people who don’t care normally have a government union-protected job (teachers, cops, etc.), and they don’t see the most obvious impact of those jobs leaving: a steep drop in population.
The reason labor is cheaper elsewhere is because the workers have no rights and protections; there is no justification for dealing with governments that basically use slave labor.
As usual, Trump is focused on the right issues and is leading the nation on them.
Post #4 bump.
Thanks for posting the poll results.
Did he find them all new jobs?
Here’s the deal....... force the company to stay and they close their doors and the jobs are gone
that is the issue.
I won’t argue about why labor is less expensive here or there but will interject a Forbes article noting that labor in Mexico has become less expensive than labor in China
then again I point out that the post WW II advantage that we had is long gone. Other nations have recovered from the war damages and are asserting their strength by growing their economies.
Trump’s simplistic bombast is not reality
I have never been in the position to make the decision or do the paperwork, but I have been made to deliver the bad news in person. As distasteful as it was for me, I knew it was worse for the other person.
("This hurts me more than it does you" is almost always a crock.)
In retrospect, the money saved by sending that work elsewhere never came anywhere close to overcoming the money lost because of various other decisions made around the same time. It may have allowed a bit more short term cash for better drinks at the next couple of trade shows.
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That was a nice little "get Trump" party the GOP fixed up last night. Looks like the GOP hit their rent-a-mob stride with the Thad Cochran affair and have polished it since. One almost wonders if they hired someone from the DNC to plan it, since the GOP tends to trip over it's own flaccid trunk; apparently they actually can plot and accomplish something if they really want to, and what we formerly believed to be failures were actually what they wanted to achieve all along.
Mr. niteowl77
Gotta agree with Trump on this. It’s common sense conservatism.
>>The myth about tariffs being the cause of the Great Depression of the 1930’s has been touted by globalists for decades. The economic data from the period does not back them up.<<
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Excellent, excellent analysis. I urge anyone skimming this thread to take time to read it in its entirety.
This one is a keeper.
We were warned back in 1992 by Ross Perot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_sucking_sound
“We have got to stop sending jobs overseas. It’s pretty simple: If you’re paying $12, $13, $14 an hour for factory workers and you can move your factory South of the border, pay a dollar an hour for labor,...have no health care—that’s the most expensive single element in making a car— have no environmental controls, no pollution controls and no retirement, and you don’t care about anything but making money, there will be a giant sucking sound going south.”
Then incentives should be offered. The government should decide if certain industries are of strategic importance, like mining and production. Things we could lose if the bad guys in the world seek to deprive us.
You’ll sing a different tune when you our your loved one has know where to work but McDonalds.
Spoken like a true liberal. Blame the workers. This is about Carrier being greedy and wanting cheap labor. Well, they just got it.
And all these products that used to be made here are now made in sweat shops by child laborers in Asia and they’re still expensive as hell and we still run out and buy them because of greed.
***If you define the “working class†as “gibmedats.â€***
Those were WORKERS that lost their jobs, not people laid up not working. They’ll probably become “gibmedats” if they can’t find another job, genius.
Ted Cruz. Marco Rubio.
There’s two.
UTX, the parent company of Carrier, made Billions in profit last years. Not one of its subsidiaries lost money not even Carrier.
“As usual, Trump is focused on the right issues and is leading the nation on them.”
Indeed. It is very telling what candidates Trump, Cruz, and Rubio had to say about these issues in their announcement speeches.
Here is what they had to say about Trade.....VERY easy to tell Trump is the only one concerned.
TRADE
Cruz
Imagine instead of economic stagnation, booming economic growth.
(Not specifically ‘trade’, but as close as he got to it!)
Rubio
They are busy looking backward, so they do not see how jobs and prosperity today depend on our ability to compete in a global economy.
Trump
Renegotiate our foreign trade deals.
When was the last time anybody saw us beating, let’s say, China in a trade deal? They kill us. I beat China all the time. All the time.
When did we beat Japan at anything? They send their cars over by the millions, and what do we do? When was the last time you saw a Chevrolet in Tokyo? It doesn’t exist, folks. They beat us all the time.
When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they’re killing us economically.
The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems.
TRUMP: Last quarter, it was just announced our gross domestic product — a sign of strength, right? But not for us. It was below zero. Whoever heard of this? It’s never below zero.
‘ll bring back our jobs from China, from Mexico, from Japan, from so many places. I’ll bring back our jobs, and I’ll bring back our money.
Right now, think of this: We owe China $1.3 trillion. We owe Japan more than that. So they come in, they take our jobs, they take our money, and then they loan us back the money, and we pay them in interest, and then the dollar goes up so their deal’s even better.
How stupid are our leaders? How stupid are these politicians to allow this to happen? How stupid are they?
. I’m going to tell you a couple of stories about trade, because I’m totally against the trade bill for a number of reasons.
Number one, the people negotiating don’t have a clue. Our president doesn’t have a clue. He’s a bad negotiator.
TRUMP: So we need people — I’m a free trader. But the problem with free trade is you need really talented people to negotiate for you. If you don’t have talented people, if you don’t have great leadership, if you don’t have people that know business, not just a political hack that got the job because he made a contribution to a campaign, which is the way all jobs, just about, are gotten, free trade terrible.
Free trade can be wonderful if you have smart people, but we have people that are stupid. We have people that aren’t smart. And we have people that are controlled by special interests. And it’s just not going to work.
So, here’s a couple of stories happened recently. A friend of mine is a great manufacturer. And, you know, China comes over and they dump all their stuff, and I buy it. I buy it, because, frankly, I have an obligation to buy it, because they devalue their currency so brilliantly, they just did it recently, and nobody thought they could do it again.
But with all our problems with Russia, with all our problems with everything — everything, they got away with it again. And it’s impossible for our people here to compete.
So I want to tell you this story. A friend of mine who’s a great manufacturer, calls me up a few weeks ago. He’s very upset. I said, “What’s your problem?”
He said, “You know, I make great product.”
And I said, “I know. I know that because I buy the product.”
He said, “I can’t get it into China. They won’t accept it. I sent a boat over and they actually sent it back. They talked about environmental, they talked about all sorts of crap that had nothing to do with it.”
I said, “Oh, wait a minute, that’s terrible. Does anyone know this?”
He said, “Yeah, they do it all the time with other people.”
I said, “They send it back?”
“Yeah. So I finally got it over there and they charged me a big tariff. They’re not supposed to be doing that. I told them.”
Now, they do charge you tariff on trucks, when we send trucks and other things over there.
Ask Boeing. They wanted Boeing’s secrets. They wanted their patents and all their secrets before they agreed to buy planes from Boeing.
Hey, I’m not saying they’re stupid. I like China. I sell apartments for — I just sold an apartment for $15 million to somebody from China. Am I supposed to dislike them? I own a big chunk of the Bank of America Building at 1290 Avenue of the Americas, that I got from China in a war. Very valuable.
I love China. The biggest bank in the world is from China. You know where their United States headquarters is located? In this building, in Trump Tower. I love China. People say, “Oh, you don’t like China?”
No, I love them. But their leaders are much smarter than our leaders, and we can’t sustain ourself with that. There’s too much — it’s like — it’s like take the New England Patriots and Tom Brady and have them play your high school football team. That’s the difference between China’s leaders and our leaders.
They are ripping us. We are rebuilding China. We’re rebuilding many countries. China, you go there now, roads, bridges, schools, you never saw anything like it. They have bridges that make the George Washington Bridge look like small potatoes. And they’re all over the place.
We have all the cards, but we don’t know how to use them. We don’t even know that we have the cards, because our leaders don’t understand the game. We could turn off that spigot by charging them tax until they behave properly.
So Mexico takes a company, a car company that was going to build in Tennessee, rips it out. Everybody thought the deal was dead. Reported it in the Wall Street Journal recently. Everybody thought it was a done deal. It’s going in and that’s going to be it, going into Tennessee. Great state, great people.
TRUMP: All of a sudden, at the last moment, this big car manufacturer, foreign, announces they’re not going to Tennessee. They’re gonna spend their $1 billion in Mexico instead. Not good.
Now, Ford announces a few weeks ago that Ford is going to build a $2.5 billion car and truck and parts manufacturing plant in Mexico. $2.5 billion, it’s going to be one of the largest in the world. Ford. Good company.
So I announced that I’m running for president. I would...
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... one of the early things I would do, probably before I even got in — and I wouldn’t even use — you know, I have — I know the smartest negotiators in the world. I know the good ones. I know the bad ones. I know the overrated ones.
Let me give you the bad news. Every car and every truck and every part manufactured in this plant that comes across the border, we’re going to charge you a 35-percent tax, and that tax is going to be paid simultaneously with the transaction, and that’s it.
Now, here’s what is going to happen. If it’s not me in the position, it’s one of these politicians that we’re running against, you know, the 400 people that we’re (inaudible). And here’s what’s going to happen. They’re not so stupid. They know it’s not a good thing, and they may even be upset by it. But then they’re going to get a call from the donors or probably from the lobbyist for Ford and say, “You can’t do that to Ford, because Ford takes care of me and I take care of you, and you can’t do that to Ford.”
And guess what? No problem. They’re going to build in Mexico. They’re going to take away thousands of jobs. It’s very bad for us.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3396178/posts?page=2#2
Growth tends to reduce our budget deficit and increase our trade deficit.
Is that the link you meant to illustrate?
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