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When did Freepers turn so nasty? (vanity)
vanity
| 2/12/2016
| Optimist
Posted on 02/12/2016 10:04:27 PM PST by Optimist
Over the past several months, Free Republic has begun to show an ugly side of its members. Although admittedly comprised of many strong-willed, opinion-charged individuals presenting thoughtful, conservative insights into the topics of the day, this forum has begun to show a seamier side as the Trump-Cruz-Rubio-Carson 2016 Primary heated up. You all know what I mean. Many of you have either been at the giving or receiving end of EMOTIONALLY-charged attacks against various candidates or even individuals as their supporters.
Herewith a few thoughts I would like to share:
- Passion for a candidate and buying into the campaign is exciting and important for exposing others to knowledge and understanding more about "your" candidate.
- Most of us WILL NOT be able to have a voting impact on which individual becomes the candidate, so why such vitriol? A little perspective is really needed. What are you going to do if by mid-March (when only 20% of the country has had any type of primary vote) and your candidate has fallen off the slate? Face it ANY of these candidates are better than any Democrat or potential Independent opposition, and will have a better chance of being elected than nay 3rd/4th/obscure party candidate.
- When did we turn into the Ron Paul group? Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but you know what I mean: personality driven, my guy can do/say no wrong, I'm going to get in your face if you don't see things my way, and .... well, you hopefully see the similarity.
- None of the candidates is 100% perfect, but they all have characteristics that are admirable:
- Trump is politically astute and media savvy, and has made an apparent conversion to conservative principles with support driven primarily by his fight against illegal immigration, and actually opens New York as a potential electoral win.
- Cruz has a proven track record of fighting and winning for conservative causes, believes (along with other noteworthy legal minds) that he is eligible to be president, and is not afraid to stand up for and convincingly explain his position.
- Kasich, has a history of fighting for fiscal responsibility, understands the workings of both legislative and administrative politics as well as decision balancing and decision making in an important electoral state.
- Rubio is the new younger face of the Republican Party (hell, he's the younger face of the 2016 election) from one of the two critical electoral states in the past several elections, eloquently espousing conservatism and having shown his political chops by running and winning against an entrenched Democrat.
- Bush comes from a conservative background, with administrative experience in what has consistently been a crucial electoral state, with the potential for earning crossover votes from the Latino community.
- Carson presents the studied, calm outsider's perspective of the challenges we all know we face, speaking for many who are ready for the politicians to take a back seat and let intelligent people of good heart give it a try.
- Yes there are negatives for all of them, but this is THE BEST crop of candidates we have ever had to choose from, unlike past elections when it seemed inevitable that the hand-picked, it's-his-turn, establishment candidate was chosen for us. And, besides, go back and re-read number 2.
- And (finally?) a word about pundits: (Glenn Beck, Rush, Fox News, et. al.):
- Fox - yeah they seem to be coming down pretty hard on "our/my guy(s)" but they are still a lot better than almost any of the hacks on all of the other networks, and why are you surprised that they have a bias for/against any of the R candidates (aren't all of us exactly the same?) when we have always known journalists are NOT unbiased, but just hopefully, at Fox, a little more centered.
- Rush - has taken up the banner for many of the candidates and refuses (as always) to endorse one in particular, instead cheerleading the positive aspects of each because he knows one of them will be the only way to stop HillBerniBiden.
- Beck - is passionate and has done exactly what we want "our" media pundits to do: TAKE A STAND! I'm sorry if his choice and their definition of conservatism isn't yours, but at least he has the balls to speak up, stand by his candidate, and explain his principles in as objective a way as you could hope. Considering some of the nasty attacks I have seen recently against different candidates and their supporters, as well as Beck, it would seem we need to put up a mirror so we can each see ourselves as others see us. We are better than that.
Well, this is what happens when one (Ok, I) become frustrated with the ad-hominem attacks against so many good people both on this site, and otherwise supportive of conservatism and the rise of a conservative Republican Party. We are all decent, America-loving conservatives who are driven to strive for what is best for returning this country to its pride.
Please Freepers, make your best case, and trust that whoever eventually runs against the Demobeast will, with God's light, be the right person for the job.
Let the flame-war begin, I have donned my suit! And God bless.
TOPICS: FReeper Editorial; Free Republic; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2016; 2016gopprimary; cruz; cruzcontrol; cruzorlose; election; faq; trump; vanity
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Country before country was cool...
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:04:04 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Cboldt
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:05:04 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Nickname; reaganaut
Itâs disconcerting to see many FReepers so emotionally invested in a candidate that they stoop to mocking Christians. That's what our FR Mormons said; when they kept insisting that they were Christian; too.
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:06:20 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Vermont Lt
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:09:15 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Stentor
All manner of unspeakable behaviors are possible if you make the personal determination that God is on your side. So if someone comes along and says that GOD is NOT on their side; THEN what??
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:10:24 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Theophilus
There's one much funnier but I'm too chicken to post it. #187 got posted...
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:11:25 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: outofsalt
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:11:50 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: yuleeyahoo
We all start out as wee grasshoppers...
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:12:47 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: RasterMaster
Elvis had a little more explosive solution...
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:13:38 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
The problem really could be resolved by simply targeting a few of the most problematic posters,
Great Idea~ I choose you.
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:15:54 PM PST
by
CPT Clay
(Hillary: Julius and Ethal Rosenberg were electrocuted for selling classified info.)
To: Optimist
It’s always bothered me that the candidates as well as their various and sundry supporters always supply the Democrat opposition with nearly all the ammunition they will need AND use in the general election contest. Reagan understood this. It’s a shame so many have forgotten.
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:16:29 PM PST
by
boatbums
(God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
To: jimbo807
I turned nasty about the time that the Carson and Cruz supporters started implying that I was going to hell for not buying the product being sold.In 2011-12 it was...
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:16:29 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: HiTech RedNeck
He would vastly rather bless, and forgive anything, but he can excuse nothing; it must be dealt with somehow. Can we get this on some billboards??
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:17:57 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: going hot
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:18:38 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
I don’t tangle with Mormons. They scare me.
To: Optimist
The nastiness began with trumpsters. All of a sudden Conservatives who were against him, questioned his history were villified.
Cruz who spent decades fighting lefties suddenly became un-popular.
Suddenly Christianity became acceptable to mock because trump spokesperson mocks it.
I’ve seen leftists worship obama and now trumpsters worship trump
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:19:31 PM PST
by
RginTN
(Donald J Trump- why would the people of Ky want a rookie senator when they have Sen Mitch Mcconnell)
To: Optimist
Look on the bright side (that should be easy for somebody with a screen name of "Optimist").
It's providing an opportunity for the people you probably shouldn't trust with your back to out themselves.
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:20:18 PM PST
by
tacticalogic
("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
To: patriot08
Let me get this straight. You’ve gone out of your way to offend Cruz supporters by calling him all kinds of nasty, lying names. Trump calls a women a bimbo, cheats on his wives, for which you imply that people are just jealous of, and this man you support.
But you get to be hurt that someone calls you an unpleasant name.
The irony, it hurts.
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:20:19 PM PST
by
beandog
(TrumperTantrum)
To: Elsie
Don't ever post to me again!
....until next time. Love and FReegards.
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:21:26 PM PST
by
Theophilus
(The GOPe are dealers. The Marxist Democrats are duelists.)
To: jimbo807
I donât tangle with Mormons. They scare me.Empty suits.
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posted on
02/13/2016 1:25:58 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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