Posted on 01/09/2016 8:42:14 PM PST by randita
OTTUMWA, Iowa — Donald J. Trump sharply escalated his rhetoric about Senator Ted Cruz’s eligibility to be president on Saturday, suggesting that because he was born in Canada there were unanswered questions about whether he met the constitutional requirement to be a “natural-born citizen.’’
“You can’t have a person who’s running for office, even though Ted is very glib and he goes out and says ‘Well, I’m a natural-born citizen,’ but the point is you’re not,†Mr. Trump said while campaigning in Clear Lake, Iowa.
Mr. Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada, to an American mother, which automatically conferred American citizenship. Most legal experts agree that satisfies the requirement to be a “natural-born citizen,’’ a term that was not defined by the founders.
Mr. Trump, who began raising questions about Mr. Cruz’s ability to be president earlier in the week, said on Saturday that Mr. Cruz would have to go to court to get a “declaratory judgment†about his eligibility “or you have a candidate who just cannot run.’’ (Mr. Cruz could need a judgment if someone filed a lawsuit to challenge his candidacy and a court agreed to take up the question.)
With polls showing the race in Iowa tightening, and Mr. Cruz leading Mr. Trump by 4 percentage points in a Fox News poll released on Friday, Mr. Trump has returned to an issue that first gained him notoriety years ago when he challenged President Obama’s citizenship.
On Saturday night, before the final stop on a six-day bus tour of Iowa, Mr. Cruz said: “Under longstanding federal law, the child of a U.S. citizen born abroad is a natural-born citizen.â€
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I read your posts. BTW, thank you for the compliment.
Respect is hard to earn and easy to lose, my father used to say ;)
You make a LOT of sense and that’s a shame.
it would be too late for a replacement to win.
judges can be crooked, to say the LEAST.
is there any way to expedite this before the SC?
I forget how long the whole Bush/algore thing took to get to the SCOTUS.
I LIKE trump, and he hasn’t said anything about Cruz that I consider offensive. He’s TRYING TO WIN the POTUS.
he can argue policy but he will need us guys in the generals and right now he absolutely has my vote in the generals.
I guess if it’s an issue, it’s an issue
Darn forefathers, couldn’t they be clearer? lol
but someone said that the naturalization act of 1790?, stated you could be foreign born.
FAR FROM an expert on these matters, am I.
Ted Cruz is born in Canada, to two parents who had lived in Canada for at least four years at that time, and had applied for and received Canadian citizenship under Canadian immigration and naturalization laws as stated by father, Rafael Cruz, in an interview with NPR.
You know, I'd like to believe you, but I have searched and searched, and although I can find where NPR interviewed Rafael Cruz, I can find NOTHING at all where he says that either he or his wife ever became Canadian citizens before Ted Cruz was born.
If you have something, you ought to post the link. Otherwise, I am sorry to say, I think you are not telling the truth. Frankly, since you appear to be Trump supporter, that would not surprise me.
In February, I'll be back home in Carrollton, TX, which also happens to be Rafael Cruz's hometown. Perhaps I'll look him up and ask him myself. Hopefully he won't be too insulted by the insolence of the question.
You don't know that he's being dishonest or ineligible by distorting.
"What other citizenship does she have? You don't know because you are in no position to know one way or another."
Neither are you.
"So you have no way of knowing whether she was also a Canadian citizen when she returned to the United States with her family."
Neither do you.
I trust Cruz. He would not be running if he was ineligible.
I, too, am not an expert. The experts disagree. We need a ruling so we at least know where we’re at. That’s why I worked hard to try to get Nebraska to consider a law that would allow any citizen to have standing to sue over eligibility, with expedited status all the way to the state Supreme Court, which would give the US Supreme Court jurisdiction for appeal because it was a suit where a State was a party.
What I said at the hearing was that there were a lot of up-and-coming politicians with whom this would be an issue, and it wasn’t fair to anybody for we non-trained and non-legally-binding peons to have to sort it out on our own, nor was it fair to politicians to have to invest their money on a Presidential run that at best is a judicial crap-shoot.
The legislature wouldn’t even consider it. No reason given. Too busy deciding the all-important question of whether we can hang air fresheners from our rear view mirrors, I guess.
The fact is, we all need each other if we’re going to save this republic. We all need this issue resolved during the primaries because if it’s not we all get Hillary. If Trump files suit during the primary and his numbers fall as a result (which right now seems probable) that could put Rubio, Christie, etc back into the running, and especially if there is a lower court ruling during primary voting that Cruz is not eligible. IF Cruz’s voters become arch-enemies with Trump. That’s why I say we HAVE to think, and refuse to give in to the knee-jerk impression that Trump is just being stupid or mean. Unless conservatives recognize what is at stake and think through the logistics with a clear, sound mind, we’re gonna end up with Hillary. And that would be a crying shame, where so many people claim that they want somebody to make the system accountable again.
I realize that people are concerned that Trump is a Trojan horse who wants to be king. Maybe they’re right; I don’t know. But I cannot believe that Congress - whose members still rely on the crooked media in order to win election - would be a rubber-stamp for Trump in the same way they have been with Obama who has a hostage media serving him and his masters’ agenda. Likewise with the courts - and especially with Roberts apparently compromised. Ginsburg will have to be peeled from the bench when she becomes a sticky rotting blob if either Trump or Cruz is POTUS.
I have family members who despise Trump. They only hear what the threatened media says - and they (understandably) question his temperament for POTUS. I would like Cruz to be our candidate if he is eligible if there are enough voters like them. But voters like them could put us right in the trap the dems are laying for us unless somebody acts to prevent that. And Trump is the only one who can do it. And he needs to do it while he is still the national front-runner. Politically speaking it could cost him everything; it’s already costing him to even bring this up. He needs Cruz to take this seriously for ALL our sakes but especially for the sake of the country - or we get Hillary. Cruz needs to think soundly. His supporters need to think soundly.
There is no perfect candidate. The primary season always shows us that in vivid color. But we need to be smart and not be suckers for the traps laid out to keep the corrupt status quo. We can’t be smart if we’re hostage to our own emotional knee-jerk reactions, which are what the media and dems are pros at manipulating. The fate of the country rests on the kinds of conversations that happen in places like FR. I just caution us all to be smart and of sound mind, and to take note of those who are not because one of the known tactics of the regime and the enemies of the US is to plant trolls who disguise themselves as conservatives and agitate, to keep our emotions roiling and keep us firmly in control of the emotional manipulations in the air. For those who are Christians, we absolutely HAVE to have our spiritual armor on, because it is NOT just human powers at work here, but Satan himself is tempting us with the biggest weapon he has: our own stubborn emotions.
Think of the “Fellowship of the Ring” movie, at the Council of Elrond, when Gimli, Legolas, and Borimir are all loudly fighting about each other’s motives and Sauron is whispering discord in the middle of it. The quest couldn’t even get started in that context. It was only when Frodo volunteered - the weakest one there and yet the one who could be trusted because he had no personal motivation to ever do this dangerous work of destroying the ring. We need a Frodo. But our system doesn’t allow somebody with no personal investment to do anything; the power brokers just trample us. We have to unite behind somebody who ISN’T uninvested, and that means that if we listen to Sauron we are going to stay like the Council of Elrond under the whispering control of Sauron. Satan wants that because then he wins.
I hope everybody does some very, very serious thinking before they open their mouths here - asking themselves which spirit they are obeying, because this is ABSOLUTELY a spiritual war, and without our armor in place we can very easily become the voice of Satan, whispering (or shouting) a spirit that only serves the purposes of Satan, which are also the purposes of the enemies of the US who have taken the system hostage to install a foreign enemy combatant in our White House who seeks to divide us and undo everything that has made America prosper.
In this country it doesn’t matter whether he thinks he is eligible, or even whether he really is eligible. What matters is what an easily-corruptible judge and/or court says about it. It is not fair for Cruz to spend his own time and energy on a judicial crap-shoot, nor is it fair or right for him to ask his supporters and/or the Republican party to do the same. I also trust Cruz, just as I trust Trump. We need both of them to work together if we’re going to save this republic. Cruz needs to take care of this, and Trump needs to file suit so he can. We peons need to recognize the need and think and speak soundly. If we fail to do that, Hillary wins and the Islamist and communist enemies of the US will eventually collapse this nation - possibly sooner rather than later.
It all deals with what The Donald wants. As you well know, some months ago he said that his lawyers checked it out & that Cruz had no problem. He’s only bringing it up now because Cruz threatens him in IA...
I did see a recent post stating that IA voters (a generalization, of course) do see through it. Then saw another one stating that voters at a Trump IA rally sided with Trump’s latest “concerns”...
Here is one link that discusses both Rafael and Eleanor’s Canadian citizenship:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-smolenyak-smolenyak/ted-cruz-and-the-question_b_8937948.html
Information suggesting that both parents were Canadian citizens before “Ted” was born:
http://www.examiner.com/article/ted-cruz-must-show-naturalization-papers-to-keep-his-us-senate-seat
The documented timeline:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/256409078/Cruz-Citizenship-Timeline-documented
A look at “Ted’s” Canadian birth certificate and his status of Canadian citizenship until 2012:
http://www.capitolhilloutsider.com/ted-cruz-is-in-
the-senate-illegally/
Father is on public record stating that he and his wife became citizens of Canada during their eight years living in Canada:
Do you know that is what Trump is about? Is it even remotely possible that he wants to keep Grayson from shoeing in Hillary, as he says - and that he waited to say anything about this until the threat of Jeb, etc and “divide and conquer the conservatives so the squish can get elected” was mostly mitigated?
Both these guys are walking a minefield that is stacked against them. Do you realize that - that there is a time when they have to say certain things in order to avoid this or that mine that would blow up our chances to save this republic? This isn’t as easy as it appears on the surface.
How would YOU stop Grayson (or Hillary, if Grayson wouldn’t have standing) from shoeing in Hillary with a corrupt judge if Cruz is the Republican candidate? Hillary was stopped from exposing Obama’s ineligibility because the people who needed to file a petition were both killed in succession within the 2 weeks before the DNC Convention shortly after each one agreed to present the petition. She had her surrogate file a lawsuit instead, as Obama’s handlers allegedly threatened to kill Chelsea if Hillary and Bill pursued Obama’s ineligibility. There won’t be those constraints on her this time. This time they may threaten to kill Chelsea if Hillary DOESN’T challenge Cruz’s eligibility.
And if Hillary isn’t the Dem candidate, why should we think BErnie Sanders or any other Dem would be any more able to withstand the foreign enemy combatant’s thugs? Do they have no loved ones whose death could be threatened, or are they impervious to threats against loved ones? I can tell you, it is not fun to balance threats to your loved ones with love of country, even when there IS love of country. If there’s no love of country, it’s a no-brainer to simply protect your loved ones by obeying the hostage-takers.
So how would you keep Hillary, Sanders, etc from getting a corrupt judge to disqualify the only candidate standing in the way of a Dem POTUS?
Wishful thinking - that this will all just go away - is NOT a plan or strategy. It is suicide. Is that really where you think we need to go with this?
The 1790 Naturalization Act was repealed and replaced by the 1795 Naturalization Act which dropped the “natural born” status for children born abroad. It stated that “...the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States...” The status of citizen is not the same status as natural born citizen.
I think that I’m reading hypotheticals up the wazoo. You might as well throw in Hillary’s hypothetical upcoming indictments as well as any other ifs, ands & buts you can come up with...
Wishing it will just go away is suicide for this nation. Is that your choice?
My bet is that if it looks like there is the willpower for Hillary to be indicted, dems will quietly make sure that Hillary is not nominated. They mean business, more than Republicans ever have.
Suicide is your alarmism because you have a one-track mind...there are many (other) all-too-real dangers that this nation faces...some of which might be helped via a Convention Of The States...then there are all the existential threats, etc., ad nauseum.
You want Trump to sue Cruz over eligibility?
What is your plan to stop a dem candidate from being a shoe-in because a corrupt judge rules Cruz to be ineligible when he is the only person who can run against the democrat?
Please don’t skirt the issue. How would you prevent that from happening?
Yes, I do, and specifically I want him to claim that Cruz is ineligible because he was born outside US soil, so Cruz can say that Obama’s foreign birth sets a precedent - thereby giving him the legal opportunity to gather and present evidence of the same. I want him to do it so there is time for all that before the primary is done.
I believe if these 2 men play this right they can not only prevent a dem candidate from being a shoe-in, but they can also expose the coup of 2008. Obama was only able to get into our White House through the threats, forgeries, and murders carried out by his handlers. When that is realized, and when America sees who those handlers were, then and only then will we have any chance of uniting to save this republic. People need to finally see who our enemies are, and how they have taken our system hostage while the media made it seem that everything was fine.
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