County Jail Run for Profit: Inmates = Slaves

Civil Rights Attorney ^ | November 19, 2015 | Jaye Ryan, Attorney at Law

[Talkwire]

Jails are NOT profit centers, and people in custody are not slaves. Privatization of jail system phones and commissary has resulted in overcharging inmates, and a lucrative revenue source for the Contra Costa County Jail.

Remember our justice system is based around the presumption of innocence, "Innocent until proven Guilty". In fact, in 78% of Contra Costa County jail detainees are awaiting trial. These are people who could not make bail and are in the jail awaiting their day in court. Pre-sentence inmates are milked like revenue cows to make money for the County.

The Contra Costa Jail makes $1.5Million a year from overcharging detainees for phone and commissary services.

Full article here

[fr_freak]

An amazing amount of people on this board are pro crony capitalism.

My guess is that it isn't so much that they are pro-crony capitalism as they simply don't bother to read the damn articles and think a little. Instead we get knee-jerk reactions along the lines of "If people are in jail, they're guilty, guilty, guilty and therefore they can all go to hell" despite the fact that the article CLEARLY says that this problem includes people awaiting trial.

My guess, also, is that most of these people are in the age bracket where they've spent most of their lives living in a USA that made sense, and, despite all that we've seen in the last decade or more, simply can't wrap their brains around the idea that not everything our government, to include law enforcement, does is proper these days.

[DoughtyOne]

Okay. Both of you have a point if a person hasn't been convicted yet.

Are you aware that people sentenced for murder one come back through the jail system to go to cour?

The population in the local jail is not simply those awaiting trial for the first time.

As for crony capitalism, the city gets out from under staffing, pensions, and a myriad of other problems.

After the events in Paris on 11/13, I will be adding
this to my posts for the next week. I'm certain our
turn is coming again soon. We stand united against
Islamic extremists.

Some music for reflection if the mood strikes you.
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beautiful [02:23]

An honorable mention also goes out to Lassana Bathily , a Muslim immigrant from Mali.
Mr. Bathily sheltered customers at the Jewish Deli and helped police by providing info
on the terrorists, and providing the location of survivors in the deli.
Courtesy of: Tijeras_Slim

[DoughtyOne]

Perhaps if you would think, you would realize that capital murder felons come back through the jail system to attend trial proceedings.

The people in the jail system ARE NOT simply awaiting arraignment.

In addition people convicted of lesser crimes spend their sentences in the jail system.

Misdemeanors and the like don't make it to prison.

After the events in Paris on 11/13, I will be adding
this to my posts for the next week. I'm certain our
turn is coming again soon. We stand united against
Islamic extremists.

Some music for reflection if the mood strikes you.
Courtesy of: Kartographer
beautiful [02:23]

An honorable mention also goes out to Lassana Bathily , a Muslim immigrant from Mali.
Mr. Bathily sheltered customers at the Jewish Deli and helped police by providing info
on the terrorists, and providing the location of survivors in the deli.
Courtesy of: Tijeras_Slim

[TomGuy]

Prison work farms used to be pretty common.

They built many of the roads in the first half of the 1900s. Some unruly ones became part of the roadbeds.

[kiryandil]

PAR35 posted from the US Constitution in rebuttal to Jaye Ryan, the article author: 13th Amendment, Section 1: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

The party(s) haven't been duly convicted.

You keep squawking about "slavery", in order to distract from the "or" clause: "involuntary servitude".

Imprisoned, not "duly convicted" and forced to pay "road agent" rates to the private monopoly comes under the heading of involuntary servitude [involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion other than the worker's financial needs.] Someone labored to produce the money to pay off the monopoly.

You're hoist by your own post, PAR35.

[fr_freak]

Perhaps if you would think, you would realize that capital murder felons come back through the jail system to attend trial proceedings.

You're joking, right? This article specifically talks about the Contra Costa County Jail. There may be all the bad guys you say in there, but that county jail will also hold people awaiting trial who are not yet convicted. You're seriously not going to read the article or understand it, and then get righteous with me? EL-OH-EL.

[PAR35]

You have a point (unlike some of the others here).

[PAR35]

The party(s) haven't been duly convicted.

[kiryandil]

Exactly. I’m glad you concede the point from your own post. :)

[DoughtyOne]

Nice try.

After the events in Paris on 11/13, I will be adding
this to my posts for the next week. I'm certain our
turn is coming again soon. We stand united against
Islamic extremists.

Some music for reflection if the mood strikes you.
Courtesy of: Kartographer
beautiful [02:23]

An honorable mention also goes out to Lassana Bathily , a Muslim immigrant from Mali.
Mr. Bathily sheltered customers at the Jewish Deli and helped police by providing info
on the terrorists, and providing the location of survivors in the deli.
Courtesy of: Tijeras_Slim

[kcvl]

Jaye Ryan

[dfwgator]

“Shakin’ it here, boss.”

[fr_freak]

hooookay

[dfwgator]

Anything so innocent and built like that just gotta be named ‘Lucille.’

[ronnietherocket3]

Who says they aren’t? If anything alleviates the taxpayer’s and makes these scumbags work and be self-dependent, why not?

Because there becomes an incentive to lock people up.

[redfreedom]

I disagree, once convicted and sent to jail you forfeit freedom. Read the post above yours, they can be slaves. It’s not wrong to treat a convict like a slave, they should not be coddled at all. There needs to be a penalty system that punishes, and forced labor is the ticket. Harder labor for harder crimes.

And they should be for profit, keeps taxes down. Jails are cost in the millions to build and maintain.

[PAR35]

And they aren’t being treated like slaves.

[DoughtyOne]

You got some attorney here that more than likely is either ACLU or an acolyte. He laments the poor plight of these people. Have you used an ATM that isn't your banks ATM lately? Have you been convicted of a crime? You are charged a fee on both ends?

This guy laments that their phone calls cost a lot. It's jail. Are they supposed to get calls for free? What is reasonable? They're lucky to get to make phone calls.

As for someone listening in, don't say things that can be used against you. It's jail for heaven's sake. If you need to talk to your attorney, have him come see you.

Note that the attorney didn't say someone had been coerced into pleading guilty to see sick grandma. He said how many have?

If I'm in jail, I'm not saying one incriminating thing to anyone in person, or over the phone, or in writing.

The people haven't been convicted yet, but it's jail. They are they for a reason. They are subject to the environment that exists there.

What is being done is either legal, or it will be addressed in time. So far, it doesn't seem there are civil rights issues being presented in court. And if this attorney were certain criminal activity was taking place in the jails (the management) why didn't he file charges and get it stopped?

Not buying what this guy is selling. STILL

After the events in Paris on 11/13, I will be adding
this to my posts for the next week. I'm certain our
turn is coming again soon. We stand united against
Islamic extremists.

Some music for reflection if the mood strikes you.
Courtesy of: Kartographer
beautiful [02:23]

An honorable mention also goes out to Lassana Bathily , a Muslim immigrant from Mali.
Mr. Bathily sheltered customers at the Jewish Deli and helped police by providing info
on the terrorists, and providing the location of survivors in the deli.
Courtesy of: Tijeras_Slim

[PAR35]

I got around to looking her up - Law School: Univ of West Los Angeles; Los Angeles CA. Not exactly a highly rated school.

[kiryandil]

And they aren’t being treated like slaves.

There you go again, with your "slaves" strawman. LOL!

I guess I called THAT one.

As we can see from my original response to your Constitution post, I directed our attention to the "or" clause: "involuntary servitude".

I didn't address your fixation with "slavery" other than to mock the red herring.

Are you being deliberately obtuse, or are you really that dense?