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Will Kelo Decision Finally Sink Donald Trump?
PJ Media ^ | 11/05/2015 | Michael Walsh

Posted on 11/05/2015 10:09:15 AM PST by Freemeorkillme

Donald Trump’s high standing in the polls is attributable entirely to the fact that he’s not a Washington insider, not part of the racket, and despite his wealth really might actually give a damn about the Little Guy. So why is he saying things like this?

Donald Trump on Wednesday defended government property seizures as a “necessary thing,” even when it means involuntarily taking property from a private owner to transfer it to another business. Trump was speaking to reporters outside the capital statehouse moments before formally filing his candidacy for the February primary, and the Washington Examiner pressed him on his record of using eminent domain laws to expand his casino empire.

“Property rights are a big issue in New Hampshire,” the Examiner noted. “In Atlantic City you used eminent domain laws aggressively to expand your casino.”

Trump interjected by calling this a “stupid question” before launching into a defense of eminent domain. ”I am all for private property rights,” Trump said. “There’s nobody who wants property taken away less than I do, believe me. I would lose a lot of money if my property were taken away. But when you’re building a road, when you’re building a highway, when you’re building whatever it is you’re building from a municipal standpoint, you may need a corner of a piece of property.” As he said this, he pinched his fingers together to demonstrate the smallness of the property.

The abstract reasoning may be sound — although in the Supreme Court’s disgraceful Kelo decision it certainly was not — but the optics are terrible. It smacks of Romneyism, a cluelessness about how ordinary people live their lives.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire; US: New York
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To: odawg
As a poster pointed out lately, we do not have the luxury anymore of the conservative/liberal debate

That poster, who ever it is, could not be more wrong.

261 posted on 11/05/2015 6:26:02 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

I don’t question your allegiance. I’ll take your word for it, that you think Americans shouldn’t be paid more than third world competitors.


262 posted on 11/05/2015 6:37:04 PM PST by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

As a former CEO of a electrical company, My hiring was never influenced by country of origin or visa issues. My rate of pay was the same for the position and was based on the skills needed to do the work.

Things like mastery of English did however come into play as I needed good communication skills. But I cannot conceive of ever paying someone less because I could get away with it.

That’s a concept that belongs in some backwater country with a dick tator...


263 posted on 11/05/2015 7:11:16 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: conservative98
Trump never built any casinos in AC with eminant domain.

Trump used eminent domain in AC to build a parking lot for his casino.

264 posted on 11/05/2015 7:32:16 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Cold Heat

“Any conservative can repair what Obama has done and they will when they roll back his executive orders, and regain control over ICE so that local authorities can round up illegals for deportation or incarceration as they once did prior to Obama.

Every other Republican candidate, including Cruz, is pro-amnesty. When was the last time you heard Cruz promise to round up illegals for deportation? When have the Republicans in Congress stood against illegal immigration? They won’t.


265 posted on 11/05/2015 7:49:27 PM PST by odawg
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To: Cold Heat

Right, but if you’re going to do business in the US, you should have to offer Americans those jobs before offering them to others. You should not be allowed to use third world competition to bring down America’s standard of living.


266 posted on 11/05/2015 9:01:24 PM PST by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. ~ Þ)
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To: odawg

Cruz is not, nor has he ever been pro amnesty.

Nor will he write checks his ass can’t cash.

Trump is out of his league making some of the claims he does.. All he will be able to do without congressional authority is to roll back the verbal and written orders of the Obama admin and put us back to a more stable border that we had toward the end of the Bush admin before Obozo took over. We were at that time, deporting thousands, but most of them left voluntarily. The border was actually beginning to return to a normal state. The major problem then was visa overstays and not enough desire to run them down and arrest them. This is easily rectified but may require some funding..

As I said, all the necessary laws on the books now...just ignored.

As to the millions here now and that have been here for decades, neither party will touch it. Which is why both of them keep trying for a second amnesty.

Trump won’t do it either...but he may not know that yet..one wonders..


267 posted on 11/05/2015 9:51:27 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: conservative98
Trump never built any casinos in AC with eminant domain.

I never said he did, did I?

I only brought up his advocacy of the process.

268 posted on 11/06/2015 7:11:45 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: odawg

Your slavish devotion to one and only one contender is not endearing. Its pitiful.


269 posted on 11/06/2015 7:13:13 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: odawg
Every other Republican candidate, including Cruz, is pro-amnesty.

This particular lie, like every other lie, does not become true just because you never tire of repeating it.

270 posted on 11/06/2015 7:14:37 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

“Your slavish devotion to one and only one contender is not endearing. Its pitiful.”

As stated by someone who is slavishly devoted to Cruz.


271 posted on 11/06/2015 7:31:36 AM PST by odawg
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To: John Valentine

“This particular lie, like every other lie, does not become true just because you never tire of repeating it.”

Can you give me the name of the Republican candidate, other than Trump, who has certified that he is not pro-amnesty?
Cruz, has in the past, called for legalization of illegals. Weasel words for amnesty.

Can you cite me a candidate who, besides Trump, has come out for deportation of illegals?


272 posted on 11/06/2015 7:35:20 AM PST by odawg
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
What people are objecting to (and what Trump is supporting) is the use of eminent domain to transfer private property from one private owner to another, for the purpose of private development of the land. That's not a "public use," and so it is not permitted by the Constitution (black-robed idiots in Kelo notwithstanding).

It is my experience that a large percentage of the anti-eminent domain crowd are against ANY government purchase of private land and the Kelo decision has them saying "See! See!". I live in a house that is part of a development where they needed to purchase hundreds of the small plots I spoke about in my previous post. At the end there were 3 owners who wanted extravagant amounts of money for their small, useless (by themselves) pieces of land. Finally the developer agreed to proceed and build around the three plots, making them kind of natural parks. Since that would REALLY make them useless, especially after planning and zoning rezoned them, they gave in and accepted the offer.

273 posted on 11/06/2015 9:53:23 AM PST by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: odawg
As stated by someone who is slavishly devoted to Cruz

It is true that Cruz in my preferred candidate, but there are one or two others that I would vote for if the nominee, including Donald Trump, despite his temptations toward tyranny and his loose affiliation with the US Constitution.

274 posted on 11/06/2015 1:08:46 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

“...but there are one or two others that I would vote for if the nominee...”

Why do you assume that I don’t hold the same attitude? Trump is my first choice because I like what he pledges to do.


275 posted on 11/06/2015 1:11:51 PM PST by odawg
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To: odawg
Can you give me the name of the Republican candidate, other than Trump, who has certified that he is not pro-amnesty?

Ted Cruz

Cruz, has in the past, called for legalization of illegals. Weasel words for amnesty.

The same old horsepucky. "Cruz is the only one on the CNN debate stage who has never plainly supported something like a path to citizenship or some other form of legal status."

Can you cite me a candidate who, besides Trump, has come out for deportation of illegals?

You are as far off base here as everywhere else. "Despite his fiery rhetoric regarding Mexican immigrants, real estate mogul Donald Trump hasn’t said many specifics about what he’d do regarding the illegal immigrants already here. He has said this year that he would support a "merit-based" system for some illegal immigrants earning their right to stay, echoing comments he made in 2011.” Sounds like amnesty to me.

You need to work from a more rigorously fact-based position if you want to be taken seriously around here.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/16/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-most-gop-candidates-publicly-embraced-amn/

276 posted on 11/06/2015 1:24:26 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: odawg

On this matter, you simply don’t know what you are talking about, and have been forced into taking an absurd, illogical, and indefensible position simply to try to provide cover for one of Trumps unpalatable positions. As advised in another answer, I would advise you to become familiar with the facts before blowing your voluminous horsecrap on this forum.


277 posted on 11/06/2015 1:31:02 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

“...and have been forced into taking an absurd, illogical, and indefensible position simply to try to provide cover for one of Trumps unpalatable positions.”

What I posted is taught in law schools across the country.

“As advised in another answer, I would advise you to become familiar with the facts before blowing your voluminous horsecrap on this forum.”

Well, bear witness of the “voluminous horsecrap” OR SHTFU.


278 posted on 11/06/2015 2:56:26 PM PST by odawg
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To: John Valentine

“...(Trump) hasn’t said many specifics about what he’d do regarding the illegal immigrants already here.”

You are living in some kind of dream world. Trump was asked about illegals already here, said emphatically, “deport them all”. It was your man Cruz who refused to say that to Megyn Kelly.

“He has said this year that he would support a “merit-based” system for some illegal immigrants earning their right to stay, echoing comments he made in 2011.” Sounds like amnesty to me.”

Wrong again. He said that he would use merit base to allow them back IN. That system has historically been used in the United States.

“You need to work from a more rigorously fact-based position if you want to be taken seriously around here.”

Now go find a mirror, and repeat the above to yourself.


279 posted on 11/06/2015 3:04:14 PM PST by odawg
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To: John Valentine

Cruz on immigration

This is from the Corner over at NRO:

Wall Street Journal: “Mr. Cruz’s hard-edged message against immigration may play in the GOP primaries . . .”

Response by Ponnuru:

Cruz is for a guest-worker program and open to offering legal status to illegal immigrants. He voted against an amendment to cap legal immigration over the next decade at 33 million. I can understand how, from the Journal’s perspective, Cruz seems too restrictionist. But I don’t think it’s right to say that Cruz has an anti-immigration message. Update: Cruz also offered an amendment to expand H-1B visas by a factor of five.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/415902/wall-street-journal-cruz-ramesh-ponnuru


280 posted on 11/06/2015 3:11:58 PM PST by odawg
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