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Trump Knocks Carson as a Seventh Day Adventist as Iowa Polls Shift
Fiscal Times ^ | 10/25/15 | Eric Pianin

Posted on 10/25/2015 6:55:01 PM PDT by markomalley

Until now, Donald Trump and Ben Carson have been content to co-exist as the two Republican “outsiders” dominating the presidential campaign scene.

Together, the bombastic billionaire real estate executive and the eerily soft-spoken former neurosurgeon have shared about half of the overall Republican support in the presidential sweepstakes while the other candidates have languished with single digit showings in the polls. But as Trump and Carson prepare for another crucial Republican presidential debate in Boulder, Colorado on Wednesday, the gloves are definitely coming off.

With two new polls showing Carson surging ahead of Trump in Iowa, Trump has begun lashing out with the same tactics he has used effectively against former Florida governor Jeb Bush earlier this year – saying that Carson lacks the energy and negotiating smarts to be president and that he is too soft on immigration. “Carson is lower energy than Bush,” Trump declared during a Jacksonville, Florida rally on Saturday. “I don’t understand what’s going on.”

Carson immediately retorted in Iowa that “My energy levels are perfectly fine,” noting that he often spent as many as 15 to 20 hours in the operating room during his career as a nationally renowned surgeon. In an obvious reference to Trump’s showboating, combative political style, Carson added that “jumping up and down and screaming” doesn’t qualify one to be president.

During an appearance on NBC News’ Meet the Press today, Carson said that Trump and other critics often mistake his soft-spoken manner as a sign of a lack of energy. “I have plenty of energy,” he said. “But, you know, I am soft-spoken. “I do have a tendency to be relaxed. I wasn't always like that. There was a time when I was, you know, very volatile. But, you know, I changed.”

Over the weekend, Trump also veered into more treacherous political territory – and may have offended the state’s politically active evangelical Christians -- by singling out Carson’s Seventh-day Adventist faith and suggesting that it somehow puts his chief rival on the religious fringes when contrasted with Trump’s more “middle of the road” Presbyterian faith.

“I’m Presbyterian,” Trump said on Saturday in Jacksonville. “Boy, that’s down the middle of the road, folks, in all fairness. I mean, Seventh-day Adventist I don’t know about. I just don’t know about it.”

Carson angrily demanded an apology. He also suggested during an interview on Fox News Sunday that Trump’s outbursts might be a sign of desperation, especially his attack on Carson’s religious faith after complaining two months ago that Carson had improperly questioned his own faith.

Back in September, Carson caused a stir when he credited his faith for his success in life and contrasted that with Trump, who had said that he never asked God for forgiveness and refused to cite his favorite Bible verse. Carson later apologized.

“He went a little ballistic on that, so it seems a little interesting that he would now be doing that,” Carson said. “You know, I really refuse to get in the mud pit. You know, Hillary [Clinton] was actually right when she said the Republicans are there trying to destroy each other. I really think that was a huge mistake in the last [presidential election] cycle, and I’m certainly not going to get into that no matter what anybody says.”

Evangelical voters make up a substantial part of the Iowa’s Republican base, and it’s a group that Trump has had difficulty wooing. Why he called out Carson on being a Seventh Day Adventist and further offending evangelicals more generally is hard to fathom.

By Sunday, Trump was back-pedaling on the controversy, even while refusing to apologize to Carson for having raised the topic in the first place. Questioned by George Stephanopoulos of ABC News’ This Week on why he even brought up the subject, Trump sputtered, “I just don’t know about that particular religion.”

“I would never say bad about any religion,” Trump said. “I said, ‘I don’t know about it.’ That’s not an insult.”

For a front-running candidate who lives and breathes polling results and who has been riding the crest of an anti-establishment movement in his party, Trump suddenly has something to worry about.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Iowa; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2016election; 7thdayadventist; bencarson; election2016; ericpianin; fiscaltimes; florida; iowa; jebbush; marcorubio; newyork; trump
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1 posted on 10/25/2015 6:55:01 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

All of Carson’s support comes from Democrat crossovers.

Operation Chaos lives!


2 posted on 10/25/2015 6:56:34 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Is the pope Catholic?)
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To: markomalley

If Trump drops out, all these media people will be goofing on Seventh Day Adventists. For now, they have to pretend like they respect it.


3 posted on 10/25/2015 6:58:19 PM PDT by exist
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To: markomalley

CARSON was against amnesty before he was for it. He was for the Abortion Pill in case of rape and incest before he was against it.

Will the real BEN CARSON please stand?


4 posted on 10/25/2015 7:01:04 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: markomalley

brand new CBS poll has Trump and Carson even in Iowa.. how many shows put that one out there?


5 posted on 10/25/2015 7:09:56 PM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: exist

Bingo.


6 posted on 10/25/2015 7:11:10 PM PDT by BipolarBob ( I see a bad moon rising. I hear the voice of rage and ruin.)
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To: markomalley

Interjecting religion into this campaign does not strike me as a good idea.


7 posted on 10/25/2015 7:11:10 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: markomalley

SDAs are pacifists. That explains many of Carson’s positions on the issues. Ben, why are you associating with Sharpton and Farraghan?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Ben_Carson.htm


8 posted on 10/25/2015 7:12:55 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight (In!a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: markomalley

This won’t help Trump especially after he threw Kim Davis under the bus


9 posted on 10/25/2015 7:14:42 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: stilloftyhenight

[Ben, why are you associating with Sharpton and Farraghan?]

When asked if he would support abortion in the case of incest or rape, Dr. Carson said, “I would hope that they would very quickly avail themselves of the emergency room, and in the emergency room, they have the ability to administer RU-486 and other possibilities before you have a developing fetus.” RU-486 is an abortifacient that kills a fertilized egg by artificially denying it the ability to attach to the uterine wall. Using Dr. Carson’s own standard of life beginning at conception, this would then constitute murder. (Politico)

- See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates/candidates/ben-carson#article-11


10 posted on 10/25/2015 7:18:43 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: markomalley
Why he called out Carson on being a Seventh Day Adventist and further offending evangelicals more generally is hard to fathom.

How does it offend evangelicals to learn that Carson is part of a sect that is considered a cult by evangelical theologians?

11 posted on 10/25/2015 7:19:32 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: markomalley

What a load this is.


12 posted on 10/25/2015 7:19:46 PM PDT by heights
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To: markomalley

What purpose do such comments serve?


13 posted on 10/25/2015 7:20:02 PM PDT by bramps (Islam is a preview of Hell)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Stop it already. Tramp’s past concerning abortion is nothing to brag about.


14 posted on 10/25/2015 7:23:47 PM PDT by bramps (Islam is a preview of Hell)
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To: RginTN
Do you trump haters recall amnesty Ben attack Trump about religion first.

Trump haters hate facts .

Second, Trump spoke the truth .
he asked out loud ,
What is a Seventh day Adventist ? now the media spins a question as an attack , Please spare us the Phony outrage that Trump haters are always in !

15 posted on 10/25/2015 7:24:28 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: bramps

[Stop it already. Tramp’s past concerning abortion is nothing to brag about.]

TRUMP? I was referring to BEN CARSON championing the abortion pill.


16 posted on 10/25/2015 7:24:50 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: bramps

Meant ‘trump’ not ‘tramp’


17 posted on 10/25/2015 7:25:03 PM PDT by bramps (Islam is a preview of Hell)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Iowa is a open primary and I recall Barry had people shipped in from Chicago.


18 posted on 10/25/2015 7:26:11 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: bramps

TRUMP has publicly explained how he changed his position on abortion. BEN CARSON seems to have skirted his past statements.


19 posted on 10/25/2015 7:26:50 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: RginTN

She threw herself under the bus, it’s what martyrs do.


20 posted on 10/25/2015 7:27:48 PM PDT by proust (Texan for Trump!)
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