Ben Carson's Holocaust theory prompts outcry from Jewish groups

MSNBC ^ | Oct. 9, 2015 | Benjy Sarlin

[VitacoreVision]

Jewish groups and Holocaust scholars say Ben Carson’s claims that Nazi gun control laws contributed to the Holocaust are offensive and inaccurate, but Carson is not backing down. .

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which was founded to combat anti-Semitism and other forms of prejudice, derided Carson’s theory – which he first raised in his new book “A Perfect Union” – as “historically inaccurate.” .

But the ADL wasn’t the only major organization to weigh in: The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum also took issue with Carson’s decision to inject his claims into America’s gun debate.

[VitacoreVision]

I’m not a troll. I just don’t support using fake quotes to make a point.

What’s the official primary source for the Hitler quote, then?

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sergeantdave: First you site the leftist Snopes as a credible site and then the knee-jerk liberal JINOs at ADL as a source. You’re smelling like a DU troll.

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[VeniVidiVici]

Der größte Unsinn, den man in den besetzen Ostgebieten machen könnte, sei der, den unterworfenen Völkern Waffen zu geben. Die Geschicte lehre, daß alle Herrenvölker untergegangen seien, nachdem sie den von ihnen unterworfenen Volkern Waffen bewilligt hatten.

[The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.]

-— Adolf Hitler (1889-1945), April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitlers Tischegesprache Im Fuhrerhauptquartier 1941-1942.

[Arthur McGowan]

Of course they’re squawking. The ADL and the Holocaust Museum exist to promote the idea that Christianity was the cause of the holocaust.

[imardmd1]

Yah. IIRC, the Philistines held sway for a while over the Israelites by preventing them from making iron. Superior weapon technology.

Also in Luke 22:36-37 Jesus ordered his followers to get and carry sidearms (today the equivalent would be a handgun) because as his associates, they would be counted as criminals. In fact, two of the men at the last supper and at Jesus' arrest were armed, and nobody thought anything about it. One was Peter, and (though inadvisedly) used it. That command has never been deleted from the list of Christ's commands, AFIK. Not from mine, anyhow.

I say that it's time to preach and repreach this from pulpits and synagogues across the land. The time to turn swords into plowshares is not yet, and won't be until Christ returns and rules.

To emphasize this, I believe that in Israel even kindergarten teachers carry M16-type carbines wherever the go with the kids. I've seen photos of this.

[El Cid]

First you site the leftist Snopes as a credible site and then the knee-jerk liberal JINOs at ADL as a source.

LOL! I was going to make the same comment. First quoting the ADL. Next Snopes. Two leftwing organizations not exactly known as trustworthy.
DU troll or not, who knows -- but if the ADL and Snopes are your 'go to' sources, you have to wonder.

[A CA Guy]

I was at that Museum and saw nothing regarding Christians.

[King Moonracer]

Guns wouldn’t have protected the WW2 Jews from filthy Nazis like how the Israeli armed forces don’t protect Jews from filthy Arabs. /s

Stupid ADL.

[sergeantdave]

“I’m not a troll. I just don’t support using fake quotes to make a point.”

You sure don’t mind using leftist sites - Snopes and ADL - to make Mr. Carson look bad. And we don’t need exact quotes from Hitler to know that he disarmed all opposition, including Jewish citizens in Germany.

Nobody is about to waste this Saturday night looking up Hitler anti-gun quotes for you.

Start here, little rabbit:

hitler anti gun speech

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=hitler+anti+gun+speech

[sparklite2]

In response [to FDR's refusal], American Jews have become one of the most reliable democrat voting blocs, voting overwhelmingly for every democrat who runs for president.

That, given the Jewish refugees turned back by FDR in 1939, is illogical and counter-intuitive. And then there's this...

For most of the 20th century since 1936, the vast majority of Jews in the United States have been aligned with the Democratic Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_and_involvement_in_US_politics

[VeniVidiVici]

Regulations Against Jews’ Possession of Weapons
11 November 1938
With a basis in § 31 of the Weapons Law of 18 March 1928 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 265), Article III of the Law on the Reunification of Austria with Germany of 13 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 237), and § 9 of the Fuhrer and Chancellor’s decree on the administration of the Sudeten-German districts of 1 October 1928 (Reichsgesetzblatt 1, p. 1331 ) are the following ordered:
§ 1
Jews (§ 5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt 1, p. 1332) are prohibited from acquiring. Possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.
§ 2
Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew’s possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.
§ 3
The Minister of the Interior may make exceptions to the Prohibition in § 1 for Jews who are foreign nationals. He can entrust other authorities with this power.
§ 4
Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of § 1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine. In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years.
§ 5
For the implementation if this regulation, the Minister of the Interior waives the necessary legal and administrative provisions.
§ 6
This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts.
Berlin, 11 November 1938
Minister of the Interior
Frick

[jjotto]

Jews have a history of not being liked by anybody, but also a history of surviving as a community by ingratiating themselves with the governing class. Dems have been the governing class since the 1930s, as demonstrated by the GOP over and over. Repubs got nothing to offer Christians, much less to Jews.

[Chgogal]

Are these the same Jewish groups that supported Obama who stabbed Israel in the back?

[SoFloFreeper]

They are offended?

Why do they think Israel is armed to the teeth?

[sparklite2]

Concern for Israel’s survival is not high
on the Jewish-American list of things To Think About.

[sergeantdave]

You’ve totally blown your cover defending the Nazi Soros, troll.

Everyone on Free Republic, except you apparently, knows that the Nazi Soros is the chief financier of a hundred or more leftist organizations designed to attack and destroy Israel and America.

[Jed Eckert]

But what explains the British? Why do they keep giving up their guns? In the Victorian era, it was not uncommon for a gentleman to carry one, but now? The English have become a bunch of pansy boy wusses.

I asked that very question to a pro gun British friend who had recently moved to Florida. His theory was that most of the real men were killed off during all the wars leaving mostly the wusses to procreate.

[VitacoreVision]

I just said George Soros and his Jewish family escaped the Nazis.

I don’t support Soros, but I do support knowing history and that doesn’t make me a troll.

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sergeantdave:
You’ve totally blown your cover defending the Nazi Soros, troll.

Everyone on Free Republic, except you apparently, knows that the Nazi Soros is the chief financier of a hundred or more leftist organizations designed to attack and destroy Israel and America.

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[CodeToad]

I have come to the conclusion that while Jews on whole are successful people, they are idiots. They voted overwhelmingly for Obama, a muslim that hates Jews, hates Israel, and seeks their destruction. They are for banning guns when that led to their destruction in WWII. I just do not get Jews.

[sergeantdave]

USMC salute to you, VeniVidiVici.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Because goodness knows, the Holocaust happened because Jews had too many guns.[/sarcasm]