BEN CARSON SAYS WE NEED A GUEST WORKER PROGRAM BECAUSE AMERICANS JUST WON’T WORK HARDER JOBS

the rightscoop ^ | September 11, 2015 | By soopermexican

[Hojczyk]

In this interview with Greta on Fox News, Ben Carson explained why he thought Trump’s “deport em all” policy was unworkable and why a guest worker program makes more sense.

Watch below:

http://therightscoop.com/ben-carson-says-we-need-a-guest-worker-program-because-americans-just-wont-work-harder-jobs/

I’m not sure I agree completely with Ben Carson on that – as far as I’ve heard, the component price of produce having to do with labor is about 10%. So DOUBLING the wages you pay someone would only mean a 10% raise in the price of tomatoes. Would Americans be willing to pick tomatoes if they were paid $15-$20 an hour? I have a feeling they would.

[CottonBall]

“I am through with Ben Carson. He was modest, decent and patriotic and suddenly he has become this great self-congratulatory social engineer.”

He is also insulting to Americans. We already have one elitist snob in the WH.

[conservativejoy]

I agree that the program should be discontinued, I just wanted to clarify that Cruz was not talking about a 500% increase in immigrant workers across the board, but was addressing the H1-B program.

[BenLurkin]

I stand corrected

Thank you.

[CottonBall]

“Could someone please point towards the conservative who isn’t willing and eager to throw open the borders even more?

Meantime, I think I’ll hold pat with the liberal Trump.”

Me too. A ‘liberal’ that would deport illegals is fine by me. He also wants to lower taxes, a well-known liberal ideology.

[gleeaikin]

The Bracero program was a way to handle the seasonal labor situation, but as Regulator said, while the money was held in Mexico, it was often stolen. Developing an honest banking system, perhaps run through USAID, not Mexican banks might improve the situation. Social security deducted from the workers wages (not the employer component) could be reserved as a nest egg for return. Some jobs are not just seasonal.

For example, at a camp site in southern Alabama I spoke with a Mexican (in Spanish) about his work. This was in 2006 and he was working as part of the after Katrina clean up/build back. He was employed by an Atlanta corporation, paid $4 an hour and was painting all the new housing, not a summer job only in that climate, and was sending money home to his family in Mexico. I asked him if he could get that pay in Mexico would he rather work there or live here. When he said he preferred living in Mexico, I asked what he like best here in US aside from pay. He said that in the US the police were honest. The drug war has been a major failure and the proliferation of vicious drug gangs in Mexico is an important reason for the migration of many to the US. It is estimated that as many as 70 million Mexicans would prefer to live here. We must develop new solutions to the drug issue.

For year round work, we could have a system of contracts whereby the worker has his personal SS money reserved for payment when he returns home. Contracts could be anywhere from 1 to 4 years, but at the end of the contract they (and any dependent family with them) must return home for a year. Once they had worked a total of ten (10) contract years, they could apply for citizenship. If granted citizenship, then they would be eligible for the employer portion of their SS at retirement age. This system would have several beneficial effects. By insisting on return home with a next egg, they might decide to stay there (cheaper than foreign aid). With a total of 10 years living here they should develop a command of the language. Since they would have to return home for a year after each contract period, they would NOT be eligible for citizenship application for at least 12 years, and if not using 4 year contracts even more years. [But if the lived in one of the drug gang hotbeds, they still would not want to stay there.] So we really do need to tackle the drug gang issue more effectively. Incidentally, it is not just Mexicans. In the DC metropolitan area there are more from El Salvdor, and Guatemala. On a visit to Miami I was surprised to find a lot from Ecuador. [Anyway, this is a spur of the moment idea, what do you think?]

[gleeaikin]

In those days we also didn’t have University deans earning more than $1 million or even close to it.

[gleeaikin]

In those days we also didn’t have University deans earning more than $1 million or even close to it.

[gleeaikin]

In those days we also didn’t have University deans earning more than $1 million or even close to it.

[Neoliberalnot]

Dr. Carson, you are a fine surgeon, but you are not a hard-nosed leader like we need. I am in my 60s and hauled several hundred square bales back in July. You have no idea how hard Americans work in rural environments.

[sergeantdave]

“BEN CARSON SAYS WE NEED A GUEST WORKER PROGRAM BECAUSE AMERICANS JUST WON’T WORK HARDER JOBS”

Horse manure. During our vagabond days, my wife worked at peach packing plants in Northern California and made as much as $200 per day. It was seasonal and only lasted a limited number of weeks, but the women, including college students, were happy with the pay.

[Yaelle]

Really excellent point. School should not focus on teaching only facts. We can get facts on the phones in our hands. We need kids to learn how to think.

[khelus]

Re: “Great response to this on another thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3336039/posts?page=36#36

Her’s some additional information:

The good doctor seems to have bought into the myth of jobs americans can’t / won’t do. He also seems to have bought into the myth of ‘$50 per head of lettuce’.

“My UC Davis colleague Phil Martin once calculated the amount of consumer “savings” accrued from growers employing unauthorized immigrantlabor—about a nickel savings on a head of lettuce! “
http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/Archive/ClemsonProfessor.txt
https://normsaysno.wordpress.com/2014/09...-s-outsourcing/

There is already an H-2A visa for those who do farm type work. The number is unlimited. It does require paper work so we know who is coming in and it does require minimal working standards-how inconvenient.

“H-2A: Temporary Agricultural Workers
The H-2A visa is for persons who come to the U.S. to perform agricultural labor or services on a temporary or a seasonal basis.

The H-2A is a program with strict requirements to ensure laborers are treated humanely. It sets the wages that must be paid and it also requires that free and approved housing be provided. It even specifies the size of the windows and the density of the screens. Transportation is also reimbursed. Farms and ranches usually prefer illegal alien laborers for these jobs so that they don’t have to hassle with requirements that cost them money. H-2A has an unlimited yearly cap so it’s as close to the ideal of limitless cheap labor as an employer can get. The low rate of participation in the H-2A program (see table, page 102) suggests that the so-called shortage of farm laborers has more to do with cutting costs than a lack of foreign workers. “
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_20_2/tsc_20_2_sanchez_printer.shtml

[MSF BU]

It would also tend to take away the unfair advantage illegal labor has over the rest of the country. Perhaps that means more vegetables out of the states in the North. There will be higher food prices but lower costs for educating & housing illegals. Prison labor may come back into fashion again. I know that $6/hour is great pay when you are behind bars.

[trisham]

Thank you, khelus.

[MSF BU]

It also has to do with people being too lazy to mow their own lawns.

[SMM48]

I remember when some chicken plant was raided for illegals citizen’s and legal immigrants were lined up to work in their place.

That was Tyson. I have been boycotting them ever since.

[Yaelle]

When I read this crap from Carson, I KNOW he hasn’t spent much time in the southwestern USA.

First we need to see serious enforcement of any immigration laws. If you get a visa to get into the USA, you are here forever, no one will ever come looking for you. Ask Mohamed Atta. Oh, wait, that’s right, you can’t, because he accidentally killed himself in a little plane accident 14 years and one day ago. In all the sanctuary cities (hard not to find one) no one will ever ask you for your papers.

YES, DR. CARSON, THIS INCLUDES GUEST WORKERS. Suuuuuure, give them visas to come just for picking season. Why, of course they will leave right after. And they would NEVER bring parents and kids and get them all into the local schools, hospitals, and jails...

[Paul R.]

Cruz is still wrong. H1-B’s are blowing up the labor market as it is. (Well, actually they are severely deflating it.)

Now, don’t get me wrong - there are many highly talented foreigners who we should LOVE to bring in. I work with some. But, the requirement should be that companies who wish to bring them in should pay 20% over the “prevailing wage” (paid to US citizens). If the guy or gal (potential employee) is really that good, no smart company would balk at a 20% premium, especially when the present market (pay) is so skewed lower anyway, when it comes to most technical and skilled positions.

[Personal Responsibility]

So the argument for having millions of illegals here costing unknown billions of dollars is “lettuce and tomatoes will cost more”? That’s the argument? It might cost someone with money $75 to get their lawn done instead of $50?

Ugh...just stop with this garbage already.

[sunrise_sunset]

Yes Americans don’t want to be cab divers, engineers, landscapers, construction workers, math teachers or programmers.