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High court limits drug-sniffing dog searches during traffic stops
The Los Angeles Times ^ | April 21, 2015 | David G. Savage

Posted on 04/21/2015 10:46:54 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian

The Supreme Court told the police Tuesday they may not turn routine traffic stops into drug searches using trained dogs.

The 6-3 decision ends the increasingly common practice whereby officers stop a car for a traffic violation and then call for a drug-sniffing dog to inspect the vehicle.

The justices, both liberal and conservative, agreed that it was an unconstitutional "search and seizure" to hold a motorist in such cases.

"Police may not prolong detention of a car and driver beyond the time reasonably required to address the traffic violation," said Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, speaking for the court. [snip]

Ginsburg said police officers who stop a car for speeding or another traffic violation are justified in checking the motorist and his driver's license. But a traffic stop does not give officers the authority to conduct an "unrelated" investigation involving drugs, she said. [snip]

Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Antonin Scalia. Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan joined her opinion.[snip]

Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Anthony Kennedy dissented. They said the stop itself was legal, and it was reasonable to hold the motorist because the officer suspected they may be carrying drugs.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Nebraska
KEYWORDS: fourthamendment; scotus; searchandseizure; warondrugs; wod
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To: Lurking Libertarian

While I would never have drugs in my truck, it is not any business of the government (police) to know what I have in my truck.

If they have probable cause to believe I have committed at crime, or they have a search warrant, then by all means, search away. Otherwise, write me up for my infraction and leave me be.

(of course... a police officer can pull any kind of “probable cause” out of his butt, i.e. - ‘acting suspiciously’)


21 posted on 04/21/2015 11:13:53 AM PDT by envisio (I ain't here long... I'm out of napalm and .22 bullets.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Thomas, Alito and Kennedy are "law and order" conservatives; Roberts and Scalia take the Fourth Amendment as seriously as they take the rest of the Constitution.

Thomas, Alito and Kennedy are wrong. Roberts and Scalia are right.

You sure you've got the right FReepname?

22 posted on 04/21/2015 11:13:59 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
Thomas, Alito and Kennedy are wrong. Roberts and Scalia are right.

That's exactly what I said.

You sure you've got the right FReepname?

Yes, which is why I am on the side of the 4th Amendment.

23 posted on 04/21/2015 11:15:52 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Just so y’all know the local impact of Marijuana legalization: The guy who sat across from me on the 6:00 A.M. train was going to work stoned out of his mind already.

So what was the local impact?

24 posted on 04/21/2015 11:16:44 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

My mistake then - twice over. But imagine you meant the opposite and re-read your words, given that most FReepers have come to believe Roberts is against the Constitution (which is what I erroneously presumed about you).


25 posted on 04/21/2015 11:19:55 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

He stank.

I wouldn’t want to be his employer or customer.


26 posted on 04/21/2015 11:21:40 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (I want the Halal butcher to cut up my pig. If he doesn't, I'm filing charges.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

I’ve noted a substantial increase in the frequency of stoners on the street and public transport since legalization. My nose tells me.


27 posted on 04/21/2015 11:22:40 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (I want the Halal butcher to cut up my pig. If he doesn't, I'm filing charges.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I take the train every day next to a woman who reeks of vodka.


28 posted on 04/21/2015 11:23:42 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

There’s that.


29 posted on 04/21/2015 11:24:11 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (I want the Halal butcher to cut up my pig. If he doesn't, I'm filing charges.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
He stank.

LOL! Well I agree that that is indeed a negative "local effect"!

30 posted on 04/21/2015 11:24:52 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

“””The guy who sat across from me on the 6:00 A.M. train was going to work stoned out of his mind already.””””

Giving the guy the benefit of the doubt, I look completely stoned at 6am everyday. (eyes half shut, slow speech)

But going to work stoned is no different than going to work drunk on booze. I am sure someone gets fired everyday somewhere in America for showing up to work drunk.


31 posted on 04/21/2015 11:29:55 AM PDT by envisio (I ain't here long... I'm out of napalm and .22 bullets.)
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To: Wolfie; Uncle Miltie
I take the train every day next to a woman who reeks of vodka.

That reminds me: More days than not I share a train car with a fellow knocking back a styrofoam cup of whiskey.

32 posted on 04/21/2015 11:31:14 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: T-Bone Texan; circlecity
Many of these dogs will "alert" when they know the handler wants them to alert

Or the officer will say they alerted when the dog did not.
I saw an officer during security training that said the dog alerted. The suspect said "No he did not. I watched him. He did not do any such thing". The suspect was right, the dog did not alert but the cop said "oh yeah, he alerted, we can search now."
33 posted on 04/21/2015 11:34:36 AM PDT by envisio (I ain't here long... I'm out of napalm and .22 bullets.)
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To: T-Bone Texan

And by the way... the dogs will alert on Immoduim AD or any other such over the counter drug.


34 posted on 04/21/2015 11:36:04 AM PDT by envisio (I ain't here long... I'm out of napalm and .22 bullets.)
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To: Talisker
most FReepers have come to believe Roberts is against the Constitution (which is what I erroneously presumed about you).

There is, unfortunately, not one Justice on the Supreme Court who consistently takes the Constitution seriously. They all have their blind spots. In criminal cases, too many "conservatives" take the attitude that the cops can do no wrong. In this case, Roberts got it right.

35 posted on 04/21/2015 11:37:26 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: joshua c
where the dog alerted and the cop put the driver thru a cavity search and turned up nothing.

But the cop suckers here on FR will constantly tell us "the police are on our side." (I'm from the government and I'm here to help you) too.

36 posted on 04/21/2015 11:47:09 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: cuban leaf

I don’t know what a “metrosexual multipoo” is, but hey this is America. I am not judging you.


37 posted on 04/21/2015 11:48:14 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

This is good, but all a cop has to do is say “I’m detecting an odor of marijuana” and they can tear your car apart. No dog needed.


38 posted on 04/21/2015 11:49:01 AM PDT by barefoot_hiker
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To: Lurking Libertarian; Perdogg; JDW11235; Clairity; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; GregNH; Salvation; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

39 posted on 04/21/2015 11:49:13 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: envisio

Cops will also, at a stop, rub their finger on a car as they initially approach it.

We know now that this is to create false positives.

What is on substance on the cops’ finger? BBQ sauce? Bacon grease?

I don’t know, but when you view the videos it is apparent that dogs love it.


40 posted on 04/21/2015 12:01:11 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan (The time is now to form up into leaderless cells of 5 men or less.)
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