Been following the news much these past 20 or so years ?
Posted on 03/07/2015 11:30:33 AM PST by Repulican Donkey
Ladies and Gentlemen, I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the Southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. (Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man, to depress none.
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Yes and the good german soldiers were just fighting for the fatherland and the good japanese soldiers were just fighting for the emperor.
And the good Jihadists are just fighting against western imperialism.
The Condeferacy LOST....and it’s as relevent today as Nazi Germany or Imperial japan.
Lee knew what he was fighting for.
Virginia Governor John Letcher, 1861-1865
“The Northern States must strike from their statute books their personal liberty bills, and fulfill their consitutional obligations in regard to fugitive slaves and fugitives from justice. If our slaves escape into non-slaveholding states, they must be delivered up”
“to the Pole Bearers, DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis wrote:”
“Lee didn’t even own slaves. He was a supporter of gradual abolition, and fought for the right of self-determination.”
There you go repeating that old lie again. You already know very well from past discussions that Robert E. Lee inherited mastery of 192 of his father-in-law’s slaves as the executor of the estate, and Robert E. Lee was forced by the court to relinquish ownership of those slaves after he dishonored his father-in-law’s will, which ordered the slaves to be freed within 5 years after the father-in-law’s death.
First, he was not a “big figure in the KKK”. Yes, he was a member. The KKK was formed to fight Carpetbaggers, not Blacks. He isn’t being lauded. This is the text of the man’s actual speech to a BLACK organization that was the forerunner to the NAACP. And before we go there, the UNION ARMY exonerated him of responsibility for the Fort Pillow massacre based on eye witness testimony from UNION soldiers.
For the self-righteous: Slavery and the slave trade existed in the Border States that didn’t leave the Union: Maryland, Missouri and Kentucky - during and AFTER the war. Remember, Lincoln didn’t care about slavery; only the Union and said so repeatedly. Neither the Emancipation Proclamation nor the Surrender ended slavery in the United States.
SSDD
No, he wore gray to defend a state’s right to withdraw freely from a union it entered freely. The right to secede was taught at West Point. The states made the union, not the other way around. The south didn’t fight to keep slavery nor did the north fight to abolish it.
That's 100% on target, FRiend. The whole myth of the Fort Pillow "massacre" was manufactured by the liberal northern lamestream media of the day. The real atrocities at Fort Pillow were those of the Yankee thugs.
And to FReeper crim, do you honestly believe that brave men such as Forrest, Davis and Lee would be on the side of the illegal hussein/holder regime were they alive today? In your heart of hearts, can you really envision those fine men standing with the current regime? In all candor, I simply can't. Instead, were they alive today, Forrest, Davis and Lee would be squarely for restoring the nation to the Biblical principles of the Founding Fathers in the 1770s and 1780s.
But they are not alive today...and if they were alive today their lives would not have been shaped by the 1800’s current events......like slavery .....so you have no clue what they would or would not be doing.
Ok, let’s please settle this like gentlemen. All you “Yanks” gear-up and head south in anger TODAY. We’ll make it short & sweet for ya’ll , ok ?! Be sure to tell yer wives, kids, mothers and other family members that you will be facing real, freedom loving, God fearin’ MEN and that you probably won’t be comin’ back . . . well, in one piece anyway. Come on boys, let’s git started ! !
And no, this has nothing to do with slavery, racism and “such”. I’m tired of being belittled for having been born south of The Mason-Dixon line. BRING IT !!
Snoot ;o)
Well gee...dont tell the KKK that...they are sure proudly claiming him.
“No, he wore gray to defend a state’s right to withdraw freely from a union it entered freely.”
The United States of America was founded with the accession of each State agreeing to “Article XIII. Every State shall abide by the determination of the united States in congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a congress of the united States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.” The Confederate States of America engaged in insurrection and treason when they falsely denied by force of arms the founding provision “the union shall be perpetual” and “alteration be agreed to in a congress of the united States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.” Nowhere can it be found where the unilateral secession of any of the Confederate States of America was in any way, shape, or form “agreed to in a congress of the united States.” On the contrary, the majority of the States specifically rejected and opposed any unilateral secession from the perpetual union by any State or States. By willfully engaging the perpetual union of the United States of America, which Robert E. Lee had sworn by oath to protect and defend, in armed combat, he committed sedition and treason against the United States of America.
“The right to secede was taught at West Point.”
Given the fact the United States was founded as a perpetual union that could be altered by the secession of a State if and when “agreed to in a congress of the united States,” such a fact is not particularly remarkable, nor does such a fact grant any State the right to secede where a “union shall be perpetual” and “such alteration be agreed to in a congress of the united States” has not been accomplished or even attempted.
“The states made the union, not the other way around.”
Yes, the States did make the Union, and when they did so they specifically stated a law saying “the union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a congress of the united States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.” It is quite evident that the majority of the States did not agree or confirm any alteration in the provision stating “”the union shall be perpetual.”
“The south didn’t fight to keep slavery nor did the north fight to abolish it.”
That statement is a lie. The Confederate States of America purported to secede while citing slavery as a right and power being “perverted to their injury and oppression....” See for one example the ordinance of secession promulgated by the State of Virginia:
[QUOTE]
AN ORDINANCE to repeal the ratification of the Constitution of the United State of America by the State of Virginia, and to resume all the rights and powers granted under said Constitution
The people of Virginia in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression, and the Federal Government having perverted said powers not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slave-holding States:....
[UNQUOTE]
The United States of America who were not in rebellion fought to preserve the perpetual union and subsequently also fought to abolish slavery after the rebellion had been suppressed and the perpetual union restored.
You now need to color Wisconsin blue on that middle map!
Funny.
I cannot find an Article XIII to the Constitution of the United States of America. Are you claiming one?
Because what you are quoting is the Articles of Confederation of the 13 original British colonies of America, formed when they were in rebellion against the Kingdom of Great Britain and had declared their independence.
My understanding is that the Constitution of the United States superseded the Articles of Confederation. Is that wrong?
Been following the news much these past 20 or so years ?
Agreed. I would just add that state sovereignty was the core issue for the secessionists, as increasing control was to the central government supremacy crowd. All else is revisionist history.
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/
We already did that once. You guys are like the idiot laying in the gutter after a bar fight, screaming that you haven’t given up and you’ll kick my ass if I just come back.
Forget it. You lost. We won. It’s over.
How about you start marching on DC from the south, we’ll meet you on the Mall from the north. Let’s get rid of THOSE bastards first, then we can settle the old score. First things first.
As it was then, it is now. The tyranny of the central government is destroying liberty as it prioritizes its warfare on True American Patriots by enacting oppressive diversity measures and outlawing Christianity. Under KKKlintoon and hussein, it's only gotten worse with abortion reaching record volumes.
That's why the next act of secession doubtlessly led by Texas and other states of the old Confederacy will find allies in other states such as the Dakotas. Imagine a renewed nation comprised of Alabama, Kansas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas and other like-minded states. The economic might alone will leave liberal cesspools like California, Massachusetts and New York relegated to even more of a third world status than they already are.
Indeed, to quote from snooter55, BRING IT!
Actually, -YOU- haven’t done a damn thing “once”. Many lives were lost on BOTH sides in the early 1860’s and I’m pretty sure you, were not a part of it. Nor was I. My offer to settle this like gentlemen stands - and let’s stop with the insults. Please note the “gentlemen” reference.
I’m amenable on meeting at the Mall. I think after that, the party that followed would settle any old scores !
Snoot ;o)
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