Posted on 01/17/2015 2:31:16 PM PST by BigReb555
During Robert E. Lee's 100th birthday in 1907, Charles Francis Adams, Jr., a former Union Commander and grandson of US President John Quincy Adams, spoke in tribute to Robert E. Lee at Washington and Lee College's Lee Chapel in Lexington, Virginia. His speech was printed in both Northern and Southern newspapers and is said to had lifted Lee to a renewed respect among the American people.
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Okay, well there are guys here that have to have a life and ..... :)
Oh and PS ... my dancing is flying ... some flights I do there are some guys here that’d poop their pants .....
“I’m not surprised.”
Indeed.
Tell us more how sheep bladder can predict earthquakes.
Well then go soaring with Mr GG2 and he will promise to poop your pants for the Confederacy. :-)
“I’m not surprised.”
“Lee’s loyalty to Virginia is something that people simply cannot grasp now that the Fderal government grabs every bit of sovereignty it can. “
It’s quite understandable.
One can fairly argue it is akin to Germans who did not believe in Nazi ideology still fighting for Germany in WWII out of loyalty to their land.
The North was not defending America. It was however fighting for human rights.
The South was defending Constitutional Republicanism.
Both noble causes.
“That sin was repented in an ocean of blood. One hundred and fifty years after the conclusion of that war, in which my great grandfather fought, we should be able to honor every American on both sides.”
Yeah.
But the Democrats screwed it up their Jim Crow and other nonsense.
We are now more than ever feeling the effects of that sin.
I'm sure that Lee felt his oath to Virginia superceded his oath to the USA, much like one's oath to the USA today supercedes one to the UN. I might also add that even though I am a southerner, I admire all the great men who fought in the Civil War, north and south. I even admire Sherman. I think his march to the sea was a brilliant campaign that probably shortened the war.
“By attacking the North?”
Maybe he’s thinking about the northern port of Charleston Harbor. Or not...
I’ve flown with Air Combat USA ... if Mr. GG2 wants to go sometime ... there’s not been a maneuver I’ve done that’d scare me ... you come with me in a thunderstorm at night when both engines quit and you’re looking for the closest airport then we can have a discussion as has happened .....
Boy you got .50 cals. on the wings of that Piper Cub you dream of? Didn’t think so-pussy!
Mr. GG2 did that in 1978 before you even rode your bike to Little league. He’s got 4 diamonds you wanna take the 5th diamond ride with an adrenalin junkie? yeh I didn’t think so. LOL!
Grant was a capable general. His Vicksburg campaign was brilliant and marred only by his indiscriminate shelling of the city’s civilian population (a war crime by modern standards)
I have relatives who live in Georgia ... I have visited Andersonville which is spooky. Also Warm Springs. I understand the South’s feelings and have no problem in a reasonable rational debate. But when those people who do not know how to debate and have to revert to invectives they’ve lost all credibility ....
Before you arrived at FR, these Civil War threads would see 600 or more posts. Ask about the poster named Nonsequitur.
Actually the saying of Smedley Butler could be applied to The Civil War. Was it about slavery? Yes and NO. It was more about an oligarchy who had built it's factories and cities with slave labor and when slaves became a liability to them the ownership thereof decreased but almost to the day the war began was still legal in some northern states.
The south was beginning the industrial revolution and coming up fast. This soon lead to a turf war so to speak. The north held a monopoly production wise and the south was a threat to it. Slavery in the south at the rate the south was growing would have ended due to economics of liability by 1900 at the latest. Automation in machinery would have made slavery a liability in much the same way tractors replaced plow mules. Mules had to be fed and kept up.
Our history books in the past 50 years have been re-written for political correctness. Most of the Generals put aside their differences after the war. There were long standing friendships before and were re-established after the war. Many Generals were academy classmates. Of course you never hear about Segregationist Abe either who wanted to send slaves home to Africa after the war.
You want truth as to the norths own prejudices? Tombstones tell stories. Visit a National Cemetery in your area. Go to the section where the stones have USCT on them. They existed even in WW2 because the units existed. USCT stands for United States Colored Troops. You'll notice they have their own section in the cemetery. This racial separation policy didn't change until after WW2 although the name USCT went away after the Civil War. They just formed segregated units. That policy ended in the late 1940's.
The military up through WW2 was segregated meaning no the United States government even 80 years post Civil War did not see them as equals.
The Civil War was a Bankers and Industrialist war. It came at the expense of over a million men from both sides who fought it and paid in blood. Was either side noble in the way revisionist want them to be portrayed? No. It was a rich mans war and many if not most slave owners in the south as such were not rich.
Post Civil War began a new form of slavery & northern industrialist were the main players in. Men both black and white were hired to do labor intense high risk jobs like deep mining in remote areas. The companies literally owned towns and every piece of lumber in it down to the 2X4's in the miners homes that were rented to them by the company.
The Company Store was a new form of slavery for both black and white and it did well for many decades to follow. Well for the company I mean. If you owed a debt you could be jailed even up till about 1960. The pay earned never was enough to cover expenses the worker had in living in these towns and owed in credit to the company store. Could they leave? NO. Debts in the day meant jail if they were not paid. Now to further drive home the point I made about the liability of slavery it wasn't laws which brought an end to The Company Store operations. It was simple economics and automation. Entire towns were shut down and mines closed for a faster and more efficient method of mining called surface mining.
Odd as it may seem Coal Wars were fought in what was Union Loyal Territories. Coal companies tried to bring in prison labor and that meant the miners even what little they made was being taken away. The owners paid the state and the state assumed the liability of food and board. Look up The War Of Coal Creek as an example.
Nah, to say the Civil War was all about slavery does both sides of it an injustice. It was an armed trade war, a war over interpretation of our Constitution concerning powers of the states, and slavery was rally cry used to bring it about.If both sides had said Mr Big Bank in the north and Mr Big Bank in the south were going to have men die for their business concerns the war could not have ever won support of the people from either side of it.
Well so far I’ve not screamed like a little girl and have learned much about aerobatic flying ... as well as air combat flying...
You won’t get an argument from me on that point. My family was Republican in a border slave State and fought on the Union side during the war. These threads become tedious because some see the Confederacy solely in the light of slavery while others deny that the dispute over its spread to the territories and revulsion over the irony of human bondage in any part of a Republic with pretensions of human freedom had anything to do with it. Both sides passionately talk past each other to no effect. General Lee was probably the closest thing to real chivalry in arms that this country ever produced and if not for his genius and honor the war on an open and vast armies’ size scale would have likely not lasted as long as it did, but also have turned into a long guerilla struggle afterwards. If he could be deeply respected by men like Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman who are we to question?
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