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Bill Nye’s Debate Nightmare
Daily Beast/Yahoo News ^ | February 5, 2014 | Michael Schulson

Posted on 02/06/2014 1:58:22 PM PST by celmak

On many mornings, I wake up and think, “You know what this country needs? More culture war.” As I scramble up a couple eggs, I find myself wishing—fervently wishing—that we could spend more time reducing substantive issues to mere spectacle. Later, as I scrub the pan, I’ll fantasize about how those very spectacles might even funnel money toward some of the country’s most politicized religious groups.

Fortunately, Bill “the Science Guy” Nye has heard my wish—which, really, is the wish of a nation. Why else would he have traveled to Kentucky this week in order to debate Ken Ham, the young-earth creationist founder of Answers in Genesis, about the origins of the world?

Actually, there are two other reasons that Nye might have done so, and I’ve given both possibilities a great deal of thought in the past few days. The first is that Nye, for all his bow-tied charm, is at heart a publicity-hungry cynic, eager to reestablish the national reputation he once had as the host of a PBS show. When his stint on Dancing With the Stars ended quickly, Nye turned to the only other channel that could launch him back to national attention: a sensationalized debate, replete with the media buzz that he craves.

Possibility number two is that Nye is clueless—that, for all his skill as a science communicator, Nye has less political acumen than your average wombat.

After watching the debate, I’m leaning toward that second possibility. Last night, it was easy to pick out the smarter man on the stage. Oddly, it was the same man who was arguing that the earth is 6,000 years old.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: billnye; creationism; crevolist; culturesociety; debate; education; hamnyedebate; kenham; science
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To: FredZarguna
You're pretty funny. I always get a kick out of talking with people who think science can prove or disprove God. People who think science can "explain" everything. The concept of God comes with a "given" that it is unexplainable. That it is imeasurable. That it is only observable to the extent he wants to be observed. I mean really, we believe in a God that has no boundary of time, space. That existed before time, space, light, or dark. That can be everywhere in the whole universe at one time. (that would be omnipresent)

Honestly, trying to understand God and his ways ... as described above... with science developed by man...now that's crazy.

261 posted on 02/07/2014 2:22:17 PM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: FredZarguna

We don’t understand the universe.... sheesh. Why does science feel the need to colorize the pictures the Hubble telescope takes? Because we want to force science into something we can see and understand. Same as you want to do to God.


262 posted on 02/07/2014 2:23:46 PM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: BrandtMichaels
Seek God with all your heart and you will find him.

Did that.

Still doing it.

Can't say where it'll end up, except for one thing: I won't find the true God anywhere near the "God" of Abraham.

263 posted on 02/07/2014 2:24:54 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: kjam22
You're confused.

I didn't invoke any real science. All I did was summarize what the first two verses of your "complete" creation account have to say. And it's nothing but gobbledygook.

There's water. There's night. Along comes God, and creates light. The light is actually daylight, which He separates from night. Not even a fairly stupid child would call that a "complete" account of the creation of the world.

264 posted on 02/07/2014 2:29:45 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna

So I see you write code for a living, I do too. Nothing new though God did it first and way better with DNA. He also gave us one language and then languages. Ever study the creation vs evolution aspect of languages? One makes a lot more sense afterall why do we humans have a conscious and complex language that the other life forms simply do not share. Yet with DNA he has gifted many animals with skills we still struggle to emulate like sonar and navigation.


265 posted on 02/07/2014 2:31:51 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels; GunRunner
Just watch and wait if you must but remember no one knows how much longer they’ll live. bad things happen all the time and no one gets out of this world alive.

There ya go. That's the whole deal right there. As the song says, "As you lick the boots of death, born out of fear."

Not about faith. Not about science. Just about buttressing your fairy tale because you're so afraid to die.

266 posted on 02/07/2014 2:32:53 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: BrandtMichaels

I don’t think I want to see what your code looks like.


267 posted on 02/07/2014 2:33:39 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna

In the beginning God, not water or anything else mentioned just God and then what’s next created.

You pretzel logic is only tying you up in knots not he other way round...


268 posted on 02/07/2014 2:35:24 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: FredZarguna
He created the heavens and the earth, he created water, light, dark. He created the animals, the plants, insects (everything that has live). He created men and women. You could just say God created everything. And really, He's not done. The bible says he creates everyone of us. He "knits" us together while we're in the womb. "knits" being a descriptive of how he puts us together. Everyone of us. Every living being, He is still creating at this very moment. His creation is not complete.

I wouldn't try to use science to measure that if I were you.

269 posted on 02/07/2014 2:36:49 PM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: FredZarguna

Who said I’m afraid to die? All day long you continue to misquote and then pretend it somehow makes your view superior. self-deception...


270 posted on 02/07/2014 2:37:35 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels
Water, which cannot exist without the electromagnetic force, which cannot be mediated without a gauge boson -- photons. So this water existed, but there was no light.

Sure. That version makes sense.

271 posted on 02/07/2014 2:38:23 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: BrandtMichaels

Your admonition says it.


272 posted on 02/07/2014 2:39:38 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna
Oh man... you just used boson and photon in the same sentence. I just figured out... I'm talking to Sheldon. :) Guys... I gotta go to dinner with wife and friends. Was nice visiting

Keep the faith... whatever your faith is in :)

Later

273 posted on 02/07/2014 2:40:29 PM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: kjam22

Water can’t exist without light. So how was it created first? Do you literally believe there is water surrounding the universe? Because that’s what Genesis says.


274 posted on 02/07/2014 2:41:14 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: kjam22

Tally Ho! If you talk about science, try not to notice the other diners laughing into their napkins.


275 posted on 02/07/2014 2:44:18 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna

Yes your too clever by half - aren’t you!


276 posted on 02/07/2014 2:46:26 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: FredZarguna; GunRunner

Well I sure envy you evolutionists b/c your code just writes itself - right?


277 posted on 02/07/2014 2:53:21 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: FredZarguna

With man these things are impossible, but with God all things are possible.

You so limit God and don’t even realize it.


278 posted on 02/07/2014 2:53:52 PM PST by MarDav
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To: FredZarguna

Atheists will believe anything. But then, so will Christians. This is due to human nature—we prefer to believe what we prefer to be true, as Sir Francis Bacon said.

Accordingly, Freud never got it. He never realized wish fulfillment works both ways.

Aldous Huxley put it this way:

“Science does not have the right to give to me my reason for being. But I am going to take science’s view because I want this world not to have meaning. A meaningless world frees me to pursue my own erotic and political desires.”


279 posted on 02/07/2014 3:09:56 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: BrandtMichaels

Do you think the Christian God would approve of you spreading wild conspiracy theories that you have no evidence of?


280 posted on 02/07/2014 3:25:23 PM PST by GunRunner
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