Posted on 01/01/2014 3:18:25 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo
The National Transportation Safety Board says in a preliminary accident report that a small commercial plane that crash-landed in Hawaii waters floated for about 25 minutes before sinking.
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This is mindblowing.
I doubt it...he was a friend of SUKARNO whom this Subud leader apparently had a hand in his overthrow. SUHARTO attended a SUBUD Congress.
I’ve never tried to follow Indonesian politics, all I know is that Sukarno visited MX in the US in 1956, and he died in 1970.
Interfaithing
by reynold ruslan feldman, ph.d
excerpt:
In May 1961, a year after receiving my B.A. in English, I was opened in Subud. That took place in Chicago. At the time I was also attending the Ramakrishna-Vivekananda Hindu Fellowship near where I lived. Back at Yale Graduate School that fall and an isolated member, I began studying Indonesian and hanging around with “people who looked like Bapak.” It wasn’t until the fall of 1969 in Honolulu, with Mas Prio Hartono a recent houseguest, that I first tried the Muslim Ramadan Fast. It was challenging, to say the least, with world-class headaches appearing every day by three. But with Muslim students and professors at the East-West Center, where I was working, for companions, it was a dramatic experiment for me—one that I have since repeated 36 times.
My road to active interest in interreligious matters was less direct. As an assistant professor of English at the University of Hawai`i at Manoa and, for a year, as intercultural activities officer at the adjoining East-West Center, I was tapped by the Lutheran campus pastor to serve on the University’s interfaith council as a faculty member representing “Team Lutheran.” Then, as assistant director of the University’s experimental School of the Humanities, “New College,” I co-taught an interfaith freshman seminar called “Gods and Men.” By this time I had already been reading widely in the world’s great religions and could spout technical terminology and explain some of the main concepts of Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism as well as Judaism and Christianity. I also liked listening to Hindu and Christian classical music.
http://www.subud-sica.org/index.php?hkat=7&ukat=24
Subud is a spiritual association founded by Muhammad Subuh, a Javanese Muslim born in 1901 (d. 1987). Surprisingly for a movement originating in a country without an international reputation for spirituality, in 1957 Subud suddenly attracted attention and spread all over the world, drawing in previous followers of other spiritual paths, including members of all the main religious faiths, as well as seekers of no previous persuasion...
Pak Subuh, founder.
Subud in Chicago.
And Vivekananda was an impersonalist, as was Ramakrishna, also known as “I am God”ists. Not actually traditional Hinduism.
And this one wasn’t a traditional sufi either...all cults are a spin-off from an established religion aren’t they? Islam is the cultish spin-off from Judeaism and Christianity.
They are basically plagiarists imo. Just fascinates me how they get people to follow them (and give them money.)
Obama sprang from a nest of socialists that go back to 1905 Manhattan and John Dewey, who poisoned the minds of three generations of Americans. Despite this sterling fascist lineage, Obama throws his fellow socialists under the bus if they pose any threat to his personal trajectory. Bump off grandma and Fuddy; and that's only his Hawaiian theatre of operations. Quite a piece of work, that Barack. They all died so that Obama could socialize health care.
Are you kidding me? This guy is a spitting image of zero. First impression anyway.
Maybe not so much there <<< and there >>>. But there ^^^, yes. Glad to see ya’ standing tall in the octagon.
The focus isn’t on what Subud is or isn’t, the interesting aspect here is the connection between all of them, starting with the East West Centre, Alice Dewey, Stanley Ann Dunham and what’s-her-name Fuddy.
And Suharto of all people.
That’s a powerful link to Indonesia, the source of the cult.
The ‘little red church’ the Dunhams apparently attended was actively engaged in interfaith outreach, leading to the students and teachers at the East West Centre...and Fuddy apparently.
I’m taking time away from what I should be doing...packed and ready to go.
You’re akin- to a baying bloodhound being yanked away from an extremely strong scent, that is left behind by a really stinky con-man.
At http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3100972/posts?page=74#74 I posted this:
To: WildHighlander57
The crash was reported at 4:40pm Hawaii time, at http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/makani-kai-plane-crashes-off-molokai/-/8905354/23442094/-/139fxot/-/index.html
but it was not yet known who was killed. The crash happened about 3:45 so that report wasn’t even a whole hour after the crash occurred, much less was reported to the airport tower and fire and Coast Guard crews out to make the rescues.
At 7:20pm Hawaii time it was reported at http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/sources-health-director-fuddy-died-in-molokai-plane-crash/-/8905354/23444570/-/pbqey2/-/index.html?absolute=true that Fuddy was the casualty. IIRC that report had a statement from Abercrombie.
74 posted on Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:16:27 PM by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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Now when you look at that link it has different content, without showing when the article was revised, but because of Free Republic, it is documented that the original article said there was one fatality but it was not known who the casualty was.
As I posted a little bit later in that thread, an earlier article at http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/makani-kai-plane-crashes-off-molokai/-/8905354/23442094/-/139fxot/-/index.html - with an original posting time of 8:25PM CST, which is 4:25pm HST - was titled “Breaking: Small Aircraft Crashed off Kalaupapa” with Twitterfeed as the source. That article says that the plane went down at about 3:45. So within 40 minutes of the plane going down it was reported on the news, and within 55 minutes it was reported that there was one casualty.
According to the timeline the NTSB is giving now (see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3107346/posts ), help crews didn’t even ARRIVE to check out the condition of the victims until 80 minutes after the crash - or 5:05pm. That’s 40 minutes after the crash was reported in the news and 25 minutes after it was reported in the news that there was one casualty. If the NTSB timeline is believed the rescue workers still had to pass Fuddy by, check out others, go back to Fuddy and determine her to be dead, and report it to the news reporter. If that whole process took 30 minutes, then the NTSB timeline would have the news reporting one dead almost an hour before anybody would have determined and reported that.
If the NTSB timeline is believed, a death from that plane crash was reported in the news before ANYBODY know that it had happened. IOW, if the NTSB timeline is believed there was SUPPOSED to be one person dead from that plane crash, and that outcome was reported before anybody was sure that had really happened.
If the NTSB timeline is not believed, then a reasonable person has to ask why they are claiming a false timeline.
Looking at the timeline, the crash was reported in the news 40 minutes after the plane went down. The plane floated 25 minutes before sinking but Kawasaki says the water was waist-high the first he knew. He gave his life jacket to one of the other passengers so the passengers were getting out of the plane probably 15 minutes after the plane went down - leaving 25 minutes until the plane’s downing was reported in the news (which is do-able) and 40 minutes until one casualty was reported . Kawasaki was treading water when he saw a plane go overhead - presumably the plane that put smoke alerts to show the location of the crash - and figured it would be about a half-hour before rescue crews got there.
But could Fuddy have died, drifted 200 yards from the others, been passed over by the first rescuer as unresponsive, been found by the 2nd rescuer, determined to be not breathing, lifted to the helicopter and had CPR performed on her (at least I’m pretty sure one report said they did CPR on her), ruled to be dead, and had that reported to the press within a 40-minute time period? Obviously not if the rescue crews didn’t arrive for another 65 minutes, as claimed by NTSB. But even if it took ZERO time for the crews to get there, could all that have happened within 40 minutes? How long does it take to lift somebody into a helicopter? How does information get relayed from an emergency vehicle to the news media?
Seems to me there’s a good chance that the NTSB timeline is fudged AND one casualty was reported before anybody could have known it had really happened.
Somebody convince me why either or both things must not be true. The news reports themselves prove that the NTSB timeline is wrong. But do the news reports prove that the death was reported before it could legitimately have been known?
Yes indeed. The interconntectedness of so many of these bad actors is worthy of a Tom Clancy novel or some other voluminous type thriller. The kind where people say it’s too contrived to be realistic...
I was amazed at the resemblance. Haunting.
Can you please add me to your ping list for this type of topic? Thanx.
“Bapak was a key player in the 1965 CIA-engineered coup against President Sukarno in Indonesia. Subud has also been accused of being yet another CIA mind-control religious operation. The Communist Party of Indonesia (PKI) and Sukarno’s Foreign Minister, Dr. Subandrio, as well as Ceylon’s assassinated Prime Minister, Solomon Bandaranaike, accused Subud of being a CIA front. The sect continues to maintain a religious compound in Front Royal, Virginia, about an hour’s drive from CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.”
Thank you. I’ve been trying to get this across to people - that only the Federal Government (CIA) had the ability to change identity documents AND coerce cooperation from Federal employees - without actually coming out and saying ‘CIA’.
Like I said before... This may not have bneen a ‘plan’ (because it was a bad one) but she may have just been a ‘target of opportunity.
They planned on getting rid if her one way or another, and this gave them a convenient cover and a nice opportunity.
This story stinks worse every time we get more info.
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