Back to the thread; check out # 114, and # 119.
Thanks, butterdezillion.
At http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3100972/posts?page=74#74 I posted this:
To: WildHighlander57
The crash was reported at 4:40pm Hawaii time, at http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/makani-kai-plane-crashes-off-molokai/-/8905354/23442094/-/139fxot/-/index.html
but it was not yet known who was killed. The crash happened about 3:45 so that report wasn’t even a whole hour after the crash occurred, much less was reported to the airport tower and fire and Coast Guard crews out to make the rescues.
At 7:20pm Hawaii time it was reported at http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/sources-health-director-fuddy-died-in-molokai-plane-crash/-/8905354/23444570/-/pbqey2/-/index.html?absolute=true that Fuddy was the casualty. IIRC that report had a statement from Abercrombie.
74 posted on Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:16:27 PM by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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Now when you look at that link it has different content, without showing when the article was revised, but because of Free Republic, it is documented that the original article said there was one fatality but it was not known who the casualty was.
As I posted a little bit later in that thread, an earlier article at http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/makani-kai-plane-crashes-off-molokai/-/8905354/23442094/-/139fxot/-/index.html - with an original posting time of 8:25PM CST, which is 4:25pm HST - was titled “Breaking: Small Aircraft Crashed off Kalaupapa” with Twitterfeed as the source. That article says that the plane went down at about 3:45. So within 40 minutes of the plane going down it was reported on the news, and within 55 minutes it was reported that there was one casualty.
According to the timeline the NTSB is giving now (see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3107346/posts ), help crews didn’t even ARRIVE to check out the condition of the victims until 80 minutes after the crash - or 5:05pm. That’s 40 minutes after the crash was reported in the news and 25 minutes after it was reported in the news that there was one casualty. If the NTSB timeline is believed the rescue workers still had to pass Fuddy by, check out others, go back to Fuddy and determine her to be dead, and report it to the news reporter. If that whole process took 30 minutes, then the NTSB timeline would have the news reporting one dead almost an hour before anybody would have determined and reported that.
If the NTSB timeline is believed, a death from that plane crash was reported in the news before ANYBODY know that it had happened. IOW, if the NTSB timeline is believed there was SUPPOSED to be one person dead from that plane crash, and that outcome was reported before anybody was sure that had really happened.
If the NTSB timeline is not believed, then a reasonable person has to ask why they are claiming a false timeline.
Looking at the timeline, the crash was reported in the news 40 minutes after the plane went down. The plane floated 25 minutes before sinking but Kawasaki says the water was waist-high the first he knew. He gave his life jacket to one of the other passengers so the passengers were getting out of the plane probably 15 minutes after the plane went down - leaving 25 minutes until the plane’s downing was reported in the news (which is do-able) and 40 minutes until one casualty was reported . Kawasaki was treading water when he saw a plane go overhead - presumably the plane that put smoke alerts to show the location of the crash - and figured it would be about a half-hour before rescue crews got there.
But could Fuddy have died, drifted 200 yards from the others, been passed over by the first rescuer as unresponsive, been found by the 2nd rescuer, determined to be not breathing, lifted to the helicopter and had CPR performed on her (at least I’m pretty sure one report said they did CPR on her), ruled to be dead, and had that reported to the press within a 40-minute time period? Obviously not if the rescue crews didn’t arrive for another 65 minutes, as claimed by NTSB. But even if it took ZERO time for the crews to get there, could all that have happened within 40 minutes? How long does it take to lift somebody into a helicopter? How does information get relayed from an emergency vehicle to the news media?
Seems to me there’s a good chance that the NTSB timeline is fudged AND one casualty was reported before anybody could have known it had really happened.
Somebody convince me why either or both things must not be true. The news reports themselves prove that the NTSB timeline is wrong. But do the news reports prove that the death was reported before it could legitimately have been known?
Like I said before... This may not have bneen a ‘plan’ (because it was a bad one) but she may have just been a ‘target of opportunity.
They planned on getting rid if her one way or another, and this gave them a convenient cover and a nice opportunity.
This story stinks worse every time we get more info.
Back to the thread; check out # 114, and # 119.
Thanks, butterdezillion.
Did you see my #56 above with the flight times? Flight time for the Coast Guard should have been less than half an hour. No way did this happen as it is being reported and re-reported. No amount of scrubbing and revision will “fix” their timeline because too much was seen and said by too many. Well, I take that back. Tell a big enough lie enough times and it will become the truth. This is another Benghazi then vs. Benghazi now.
Thanks for the ping. I’m ready to go back to bed, being under the weather with allergies and cold symptoms that make it even difficult to try to stay focused on all that is in this post.
If the NTSB timeline is believed, a death from that plane crash was reported in the news before ANYBODY know that it had happened. IOW, if the NTSB timeline is believed there was SUPPOSED to be one person dead from that plane crash, and that outcome was reported before anybody was sure that had really happened. If the NTSB timeline is not believed, then a reasonable person has to ask why they are claiming a false timeline.
And then you wind up with this summary just too good!
But could Fuddy have died, drifted 200 yards from the others, been passed over by the first rescuer as unresponsive, been found by the 2nd rescuer, determined to be not breathing, lifted to the helicopter and had CPR performed on her (at least I’m pretty sure one report said they did CPR on her), ruled to be dead, and had that reported to the press within a 40-minute time period? Obviously not if the rescue crews didn’t arrive for another 65 minutes, as claimed by NTSB. But even if it took ZERO time for the crews to get there, could all that have happened within 40 minutes? How long does it take to lift somebody into a helicopter? How does information get relayed from an emergency vehicle to the news media? Seems to me there’s a good chance that the NTSB timeline is fudged AND one casualty was reported before anybody could have known it had really happened.
the ntsb/msm summary is an epic fail as far as the smell test goes. Extremely well thought out on your part. My guess is that this is a Chicago op orchestrated by the "man" in charge-- Valerie Jarrett.
She probably has a goon or hit squad strictly for all the Breitbarts, Fuddys,granny, others who need to disappear. Although it seems coincidental that zero was in or around Hawaii when all the action took place at his Granny's don't know about where he was during Fuddy's demise.
There were always rumors of him lurking in an alley way behind his granny's house shortly before her death but I'm not buying that one,too easy for him to get someone else to do the dirty work. That's more his style. However, if they are not related anyway.....who knows.
The only thing he is "hands on with" are drones and other guys.
Excellent work.
Woah.... excellent analysis!
Deserves its own topic!
There needs to be a investigation to see if this plane was not taken down by laser weapons.
The oddities of those that surround “the One” continue to mount.