Hawaii Health Official Killed in Plane Crash
Perhaps this:
(See Photo at # 56)
will persuade some loose ends to speak up before they are tied off?
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Posted on 12/12/2013 4:05:13 AM PST by mrsadams
KHON-TV reported that Hawaii Department of Health Director Loretta Fuddy died when the Makani Kai Cessna Grand Caravan crashed half a mile off the north shore of Molokai. Fuddy was one of eight passengers on board the plane in addition to the pilot, and the only one who did not survive.
The plane took off at approximately 3:35 p.m. Wednesday from the Kalaupapa Peninsula bound for Honolulu. In addition to Fuddy, the department's deputy director, Keith Yamamoto, was also booked on the flight, department spokeswoman Janice Okubo told the Associated Press.
Makani Kai Air has said that the pilot did not make any radio calls indicating that he was in trouble before the crash. Another pilot spotted the wreckage and survivors wearing life vests and called in the details to the Molokai Airport tower
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My point is that no matter which scenario occurs Birthers manage somehow to shoe-horn it into their conspiracy theory(s):
*If Fuddy remains alive but doesn't talk, it's because she's either been intimidated or bribed into silence; "see! it's evidence of the conspiracy."
*When a crash occurs, and only she dies, it's "suspicious" and it's to intimidate the others; "see! it's evidence of conspiracy."
*Had all of the passenger perished, it would be "she and all possible witness have been silenced; see! it's evidence of conspiracy."
*Had one died along with Fuddy, it would be "one was sacrificed along with Fuddy to make it look like Fuddy wasn't the target; see! it's evidence of conspiracy."
*Had it been an accident with no others present, it would be "they arranged it so there would be no witnesses to talk; see! it's evidence of conspiracy."
Birthers have all contingencies covered. Except the non-conspiratorial options are never discussed even as possibilities.
Or perhaps the intent was to kill all and through whatever happenstance the rest survived?
For that "perhaps" to make any sense, one would have to explain cogently why these 9 (and not a whole host of others who presumably have been "in on it" for the past 5 years (or much, much longer)) were targeted. Failing that explanation, the better, simpler, more logical explanation is that it was an unfortunate accident.
There have been other fatalities. The guy who accessed The Won’s passport records died an untimely and violent death.
Other than that your analysis of the options pretty much covers it, and is equally valid whether there actually is or isn’t a conspiracy.
If through some miracle, the NTSB reports evidence of sabotage that would support the Nut-Job Conspiracy Theory. So would them finding no evidence whatsoever...
I am not aware of any. It's an off-topic question in any event. I'm not going assist in turning turning this into a thread on Benghazzi.
One of the many (MANY) significant problems with the Birther worldview is that it speaks out both sides of the mouth at once.
One the one hand, we're told that pretty much everyone in a position of authority is already "in on it." This is the explanation given whenever Congress (even the Republicans) fail to investigate Birther claims. It's the reason given why the MSM doesn't report any of this. It's the reason given why every judge faced with a Birther lawsuit has tossed them out. Everyone (so it's claimed) knows and has been either bribed, intimidated or otherwise made complicit in the Great Usurpation.
Yet, on the OTHER hand, Birthers act like there are these select individuals who are out to reveal these things (which everyone already knows) who have to be stealthily silenced, lest the people in authority (who already know), are told things (that they already know) and the whole house of cards comes crashing down on Obama.
These cannot both be entertained simultaneously. There is no reason to "silence" the likes of Fuddy on the theory she can reveal Obama's illegitimacy when (supposedly) the Congress, the Judiciary, and the MSM already know that.
So which is it? Anyone?
The only other name I've seen reported is Deputy Health Director Keith Yamamoto.
The correct answer is:
All of them.
Although death=silence, silence≠death.
They have been sworn to secrecy under threat of severe legal action and have been isolated and kept from testifying.
Hawaii Health Official Killed in Plane Crash
Perhaps this:
(See Photo at # 56)
will persuade some loose ends to speak up before they are tied off?
.
.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy. Though you seem to embrace it.
So is "cherry picking." The are those like Mike Zullo who have been going around for several years now claiming the WH LFBC is fraudulent and claiming that -- in 3 to 6 months' time -- they will reveal "shocking" details. Now, while the White House has good reason to dismiss Zullo's "Lucy Holding the Football" act for the scam that it is, the point is that there are a lot of people making very adverse claims about Obama who are happily going about their lives. It's these non-events that you don't take into account. But to those few instances where there appears to be some proximity in time between allegation and incident you ascribe great significance.
It's called "cherry picking."
Other than that your analysis of the options pretty much covers it,
That it does . .
and is equally valid whether there actually is or isn’t a conspiracy.
These things are not "evidence of the conspiracy" if there is no conspiracy. But my point is it will always appear there is one if the non-conspiratorial option is never entertained as a possibility.
It can’t be possible that a person who cooperated in an illegal scheme might turn when she realizes she could face life in prison or a death sentence?
I actually don’t believe they thought she would turn. I believe they used this to silence the 3 people still in Hawaii who have knowledge and could speak.
As to the intimidation, we know it happened. We’ve got the signed statements of the people who were directly threatened.
As to the HDOH falsifying records, we’ve already got the 1960-64 birth index, Virginia Sunahara’s death certificate (containing a TERRITORY OF HAWAII death cert # on a STATE OF HAWAII death certificate - an anomaly that took EXTRA EFFORT for the falsifier at the HDOH to put in there, which is obviously a red flag) and Johanna Ah Nee’s birth certificate with a BC# having digits overlap (an impossibility with a Bates stamp). So we already know the HDOH is falsifying vital records, and it also seems clear that the person doing it is doing it against their will and putting in red flags in protest.
You cited Occam’s Razor. How many “accidents” does it take, involving critical players at critical times, before it takes greater faith to say it’s all coincidence than to realize there’s a pattern? What are the outer limits of Occam?
Whoa. Wait a minute. I just read your response again. You don’t know about the Benghazi witnesses who were forced to sign non-disclosure agreements and given lie detector tests all the time?
If you’re going to argue that “conspiracy” is crazy, it would behoove you to be aware of the facts we already know, about the nature and character of this regime. If you’re not aware of how they have stonewalled and hidden evidence, allowed the crime scene to be destroyed, defied subpoenas, etc, then you’re not even aware of what regime we’re talking about.
It’s sort of like arguing that the Holocaust could never have happened because you’re not aware that Hitler made a law declaring Jews to be non-persons or that he had the Night of Long Knives, etc.
Our Founding Fathers knew that absolute power corrupts absolutely - so if there is no accountability, it is EXPECTED that there will be crimes and conspiracies on the part of government. We know Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS-gate, etc have all happened, yet not one thing has happened to the people breaking laws. With that level of accountability, our Founding Fathers would say that conspiracy and corruption are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN.
I suggest you catch up on the criminality of this regime and then get back to us all with your “conspiracies can’t happen” mumbo-jumbo.
There is a reason they would want to intimidate through Fuddy’s death. There are still 3 people in Hawaii who they desperately need to keep quiet.
And this thing would take 2 actions: something to cause the engine to fail (and of course the federal agency in charge of investigating won’t retrieve the wreckage to find out if it was sabotaged...), and something to make Fuddy’s seatbelt “stick”. (Again, sabotage can’t be checked out because the federal agency will not retrieve the wreckage.
Those 2 things in place, to everybody there including the pilot it would seem like a “normal” crash. Having everybody else escape and Fuddy’s seatbelt not work - in full view of the deputy director who would have to carry on her deceit - would get the intended message across.
Means, motive, and opportunity are all there.
And before you say that this regime would never do that, you need to look at Fast & Furious, Benghazi, Extortion 17, IRS-gate, the Boston Marathon bombing and the “Saudi person of interest who got away”, etc. You need to read up and find out about Bill Gwatney being killed by a “random” shooting within days of saying he’d present a petition at the 2008 Dem Convention so Hillary could show her evidence of Obama’s ineligibility, and then Stephanie Tubbs keeling over from an aneurysm within days of agreeing to take Gwatney’s place...
There’s a lot you need to read up on, I suspect.
I was just going to check. Kind of a familiar scent hovering in the air...
me 2 - would you want to be the ME working on Fuddy and find your wine spiked later that evening.
The democrat CEO of this company, Richard Schuman, seems to be making a lot of contradictory statements. I hope they are taking his testimony.
He also seems to be shielding his pilot. The press knows who this pilot is, and if there was catastrophic engine failure there should be no shame in saying who this guy is because he was a victim just like everybody else. Seems like Schuman is fudging around trying to explain away why this pilot didn’t call for help if he knew that his engine was failing/had failed, but the pilot needs to be asked that directly. Not that I trust the feds to get to the honest truth of the story.
Thanks Seizethecarp.
The truth is out there somewhere, let’s hope we can find it before the coverup starts. And ironically, last night I watched a DVR’d 30 for 30 episode about Eddie Aikau, who also died in an accident off Molokai.
Another Vince Foster.
I’m thinking that way, too. Bet she’s cremated quickly; no autopsy, or if so, it’s sealed.
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