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Just How Old is Dinosaur Soft Tissue?
http://www.apologeticspress.org ^ | 11/1/2012 | Eric Lyons

Posted on 10/04/2013 7:15:37 AM PDT by kimtom

Imagine watching an interview on television and hearing a bald, blind, deaf, wrinkled, hunched-back, bedridden man claim that he is 130 years old. Although you might doubt such a claim, if ever there was a man in modern times to live 130 years on Earth, he likely would have looked as worn out as this man appeared. Imagine, however, if a quick-witted, muscular, marathon runner with fair skin, thick, dark hair, low blood pressure, and a good memory, claimed to be 130 years old. What reasonable person would believe such a claim? Everyone would doubt the statement, especially the doctors, who had found the man’s overall health to be comparable to that of a 20-year-old.

Now take a step into the world of evolutionary science. According to evolution’s geologic timetable, since dinosaurs supposedly became extinct 65 million years ago, any dinosaur fossil found in the ground must be at least 65 million years old. But what if the fossils don’t “appear” to be that old? What if, when inspected by scientists, various dinosaur bones around the world are discovered with “highly fibrous,” “flexible,” and elastic bone tissue that “when stretched, returns to its original shape”? What if fibrous proteins such as collagen were found, along with “cell-like structures resembling blood and bone cells”? Would evolutionists come to a similar conclusion as most everyone would about a marathon-running, 130-year-old? Apparently not.

In the last few years, scientists have found a variety of dinosaur bones from around the world that are not completely fossilized. They actually contain intact protein fragments,.......

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: dinosaur; softtissue
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Still a interesting find....
1 posted on 10/04/2013 7:15:37 AM PDT by kimtom
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To: kimtom

Evolutionists will believe anything except the possibility that they could be wrong.


2 posted on 10/04/2013 7:36:06 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: kimtom

OMG, the Earth is flat!


3 posted on 10/04/2013 7:36:32 AM PDT by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: kimtom
I know this isn't exactly rigorous science, but ...

Some folks look at the Grand Canyon and say, "It's old. How can you not see it?"
I look at dinosaur tissue and say, "It's not that old. How can you not see it?"

4 posted on 10/04/2013 7:36:58 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: AngieGal

ping


5 posted on 10/04/2013 7:41:32 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: kimtom
Imagine, however, if a quick-witted, muscular, marathon runner with fair skin, thick, dark hair, low blood pressure, and a good memory, claimed to be 130 years old.

His name would be Lazarus Long.................. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_Long

6 posted on 10/04/2013 7:46:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Why does everyone believe that ALL dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago?

Isn’t it possible that since alligators and others of their type existed then, that some dinos may have actually survived up until near modern times, albeit several thousands of years ago? ...................


7 posted on 10/04/2013 7:49:45 AM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

True Bro


8 posted on 10/04/2013 7:51:53 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: kimtom
Well first of all, I don't think the author understands just what a fossil is - he seems to believe that they all have gone through the process of petrification, and that simply isn't the case. And the fact that something is elastic implies nothing - there are a number of minerals that are quite elastic. At any rate, this should be an interesting thread...


9 posted on 10/04/2013 7:54:26 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Red Badger

“Why does everyone believe ...... albeit several thousands of years ago?..”

a logical question.
but the answer is ; the fossil record does not support that theory.

unless, fossil record (age) is misunderstood...?


10 posted on 10/04/2013 7:57:12 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: kimtom

Proteins do not degrade all by themselves. They are degraded by the environment. There are bacteria that eat it, oxygen that oxidizes it, water that gets into its nooks and crannies and unfolds it, and a whole slew of natural enzymes that cut it into pieces just because that’s what the body has to do to keep such junk from clogging everything.

Likewise, bones do not become hard and brittle just from age. Over time, as you use them, the body puts calcium in the bones to make them hard and brittle so they’ll be able to support your weight. The body doesn’t have any mechanism of stopping this process, so it just keeps turning your bones into limestone. If you die young, your bones will not calcify in the grave. This is why you normally find bones and teeth as fossils - they were already mineralized at the time of death.

Additional mineralization can replace soft tissue when it rots and mineral-rich water evaporates from the resulting cavity. If the soft tissue is completely enclosed by calcified bone in an airtight and watertight fashion, then it will not decay with time. There would be nothing in there to degrade it.

So no, it is not really surprizing to find soft tissue 65 million years old. It is rare merely because soft tissue is never fully enclosed. Even bone marrow has blood vessels going into it. To preserve it you’d have to have these holes plugged quickly after death, before the decay sets in. This does not occur often, making soft tissue finds very rare.


11 posted on 10/04/2013 8:04:14 AM PDT by Driabrin
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“..I don’t think the author understands just ..”

disagree

How can the soft tissue survive 65 million years?

a fair question


12 posted on 10/04/2013 8:04:56 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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Relying solely on fossils can be misleading.

Assume that some dinos did actually survive up until at least the paleolithic era. They may have been hunted to extinction and eaten by early humans and their bones left to turn to dust. Even small animal bones that were eaten by humans or other animals are only preserved in caves or burial sites. Those left to the open, decay and are never seen since they returned to the soil.

Fossils are very old, but assuming that the animals all died out because of that is not logical..............


13 posted on 10/04/2013 8:05:02 AM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Your right! Evolution is junk science and has too many flaws. Seen fossilized cowboy boots, fishing reel, other items that didn’t exist “millions” of years ago. Once again they will do anything to push their view on those that are to stupid to understand anything else.


14 posted on 10/04/2013 8:05:06 AM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: Driabrin

“...So no, it is not really surprizing to find soft tissue 65 million years old....”

How about a few thousand..?


15 posted on 10/04/2013 8:11:50 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: kimtom

Read title and thought this was about Harry Reed.


16 posted on 10/04/2013 8:36:00 AM PDT by Musketeer
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It is a fair question - too bad Lyons didn’t look for any answers. Basically you are citing as a source a fellow with a degree in theology who apparently, because he can’t fathom the science, disagrees with the scientists who actually study and experiment with the material in question. Why didn’t he bother to ask Schweitzer about how old her discovery is? Why didn’t he explore the literature that seeks to answer the questions surround this material like “Dinosaurian Soft Tissues Interpreted as Bacterial Biofilms” Kaye, et al, or Schweitzer’s own paper, “Dinosaur Peptides Suggest Mechanisms of Protein Survival”? Lyons is simply unqualified to intelligently comment on the subject - he doesn’t understand the processes involved and apparently hasn’t sought information that will counter his preconceived notions of Earth’s biological and geological history. Typical apologetics - long on rhetoric, short on fact.


17 posted on 10/04/2013 8:37:55 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; shove_it; TrueKnightGalahad; ...
Re: Evolutionists will believe anything except the possibility that they could be wrong.

For those convinced in the existence of God and every word in the Bible being completely true, that is fine as they have the faith to believe it with all their heart.

For those convinced in evolution as a scientific fact, that is also fine as they have the faith to believe it with all their heart.

Those that believe in God can also believe in evolution.

Or they can be atheist and believe in evolution.

When any of those above try to make their version the ONLY VERSION I can believe, that is when we split the blanket--

18 posted on 10/04/2013 8:38:00 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: stormer

and you are???

attacking the author shows your colors......

not interested in truth


19 posted on 10/04/2013 8:49:49 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: Musketeer

you made my day...

good one..!!


20 posted on 10/04/2013 8:51:06 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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