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FOX CABLE NEWS IS REPORTING 24 3RD GRADERS HAVE PERISHED IN OKLAHOMA.
FOX NEWS ^ | 5/20/2013 | Fox News

Posted on 05/20/2013 4:54:37 PM PDT by stockpirate

NO LINK ON THEIR WEBSITE YET,


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: 3rdgraders; deathtoll; moore; notbreakingnews; oklahoma; storm; vanity
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To: NFHale

Oh I understand what you mean. We have 9 old tall pine trees lining the driveway along the side of the house. They are line trees so the town told us they do not want to cut them down. (probably a tree hugger). They probably a good 100 years old. Nobody wants to lose their home but at least with a hurricane you get 3 weeks notice to get away to save your life whereas with a tornado you have seconds to only minutes to get away.

Regarding property damage, there’s no difference and in fact you’re less likely to get hit by a tornado than a hurricane but I my comment was referring to saving one’s life.

I sure do hope all is better for you now.


441 posted on 05/21/2013 9:52:44 AM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: NFHale

Some good news on a bad day.


442 posted on 05/21/2013 10:12:14 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Choked me up... the dog was all she had left, and she thought it was gone.

Miracles do happen...sometimes.


443 posted on 05/21/2013 10:44:11 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; All

To all the doubters out there: MIRACLES DO HAPPEN!!!


444 posted on 05/21/2013 1:32:57 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Time to musk up.)
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Dreadful news.

Schools are regrettably not the fortresses of safety many would like to believe.

Condolences and prayers to Oklahoma.


445 posted on 05/21/2013 1:40:34 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Certainly there are plenty of options for individuals. My post was with respect to what is possible for commercial and community shelters.

And it was based on what the commercial construction companies had advised to folks around here.

We have a basement bedroom which has a loft next to the bed.
The kids are able to sleep and play on top of the loft, and if needed we can all sit under the loft for protection from the debris as well as a reinforced area.

So we are better off than many in our town, and certainly better off than the first ten years when we lived in a trailer.


446 posted on 05/21/2013 1:43:56 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Oh I agree. It sounds like building basements in that area would be cost prohibitive.

If I lived in tornado alley, even if I had a basement, I’d still want a crush proof vault in it...with some provisions.


447 posted on 05/21/2013 2:34:01 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: stockpirate
Sorry but you can’t run from them, it was 2 miles wide..

Sure you can. Better than being crushed by debris or drowning in the runoff. I lived in tornado alley and I knew what to do almost before I could walk.

448 posted on 05/21/2013 3:27:02 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: SampleMan
You don’t run from an F5 on foot. You go to ground and pray. Everything in the open is shredded

Pretending to hide inside a school building is not "going to ground".

449 posted on 05/21/2013 3:30:20 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: InvisibleChurch
run where? 200 mph winds and a half mile wide?

If it's moving to your left, run 90 degrees to your right and look for a low spot. If it's moving to your right, run 90 degrees to your left and look for a low spot. If it appears to not be moving either left or right, pick one direction 90 degrees from the direction you are facing and look for a low spot. Every child in tornado alley probably already knows this, or should - presuming they are not ordered into a corner of a building built by the lowest bidder by an authority figure.

450 posted on 05/21/2013 3:38:18 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: stockpirate
The wind speed was over 200 MPH, makes everything a bullet.

Exactly, and the building they were ordered to stay in by authority figures became a weapon of mass destruction.

451 posted on 05/21/2013 3:41:01 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: reg45
You can’t run from a tornado.

Sure you can, if you're not ordered to stay where you are by government authority figures.

A lot of these kids would have been a lot better off in the open and on the ground in a low spot.

452 posted on 05/21/2013 3:44:04 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper

It’s better than sending children running out into the streets, where 100% would be killed.


453 posted on 05/21/2013 4:04:08 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Vermont Lt
That sports photography analogy would work well for a storm chaser, but it's not the same as someone trying to get as far away from a storm track as possible. In a car you would have mirrors anyway.

Running with your head turned like that would generate a big pull through your fascia and mess with gait, proprioception, the vestibular system, etc. Is 45 degrees the practical limit for that, besides just keeping your eye on things?

454 posted on 05/21/2013 4:33:50 PM PDT by Styria
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Of course in real life, you'd have to be real lucky and find a road that veers off at the correct angle for any of that to apply.

Out there, in some of those state, they have a county dirt road matrix that surrounds the sections (square miles) so you could zig zag.

I know that's the big limit for applying the maneuvering board to land, but tornados usually don't run parallel to the roads either where you take off at a right angle. I just wanted to show how you'd solve it geometrically.

455 posted on 05/21/2013 4:42:37 PM PDT by Styria
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To: SampleMan
It’s better than sending children running out into the streets, where 100% would be killed.

Not necessarily, Mr. Authority Figure.

456 posted on 05/21/2013 4:50:24 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper

Yes it is. Simple fact. You may not survive an F5 inside a building, a basement, or even a bunker, but you100% won’t survive it if you are outside above ground. What exactly do you think a 3rd grader would do if you told them there was a tornado and that they should run away?

Think of tornadoes like artillery fire. You don’t survive in the open.


457 posted on 05/21/2013 5:05:57 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: elkfersupper

Of course, I remember that, too, from grade school. Still, I believe any of those kids didnt stand a chance. I imagine a top F-5 tornado is impossible to run from. Though I wonder about the kids they sent to a nearby church. How much advance time did they have? Though they might have had time to run, the school is still a safer place to to take cover.


458 posted on 05/21/2013 5:56:56 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

If I had known about them years ago (did they even exist years ago?) I would already have one. Being older and retired, It’ll take a while to get the bucks.


459 posted on 05/21/2013 7:32:40 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Styria

You dont have to run far. Usually behind a cheerleader. They make for good cushions.


460 posted on 05/21/2013 7:56:31 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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