Posted on 05/03/2013 8:46:31 AM PDT by pinochet
Some philosophers have promoted the idea that it is impossible for human beings to invent new sins. Any "new" sin that may seem shocking to you, is a sin that was practiced in ancient civilizations that have gone before us. In order for a nation or civilization to be strong, families must be strong. When families die, civilizations die along with them. I refer you to this quote from this website http://constitutionschool.com/2012/09/27/first-time-ever-majority-of-american-households-unmarried/
"For the first time, households made up of married couples with and without children dropped below 50 percent of all households, Jacobsen noted. At the peak in 1960, married couples represented 75 percent of all households."
The first great civilization to collapse was Babylon. When Babylon was at its strongest, the empire was known for strong morals and strong families, as reflected in the Code of Hammurabi, which dates to 1772 BC. Centuries later, family bonds collapsed, and Babylon became famous for sexual orgies and gay relationships. The Roman Republic and Empire passed through the same phase, starting as a strong pro-family civilization, and ending up as an empire of sexual orgies that had openly gay emperors like Caligula and Nero.
Now it is America's turn. It is too bad that America may not last over 1000 years like the Babylonian or Roman Empires.
Of course we will. We’re past the point of no return. Reagan was our Diocletian, the leader that tried to turn back the clock to save the civilization, but ultimately was just a speed bump.
Who is Mystery Babylon?
We no longer have an Education System we swapped it for Government Controlled "Indoctrination Centers".
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That’s a good question. Upthread there’s another story about an Air Force officer forced to remove a Bible from his desk. A Bible in plain view is regarded an actionable offense, but open faggotry is a-ok?
America is embracing evil at such a rapid clip. Why would I even fight to defend such a country at this point? Is this even a country worth risking my life to preserve anymore? Amazing that things have gotten to this level where I now entertain such questions. But they have.
America has been sliding downhill for several decades now. Our standard of living, our economy, sovereignty, borders infrastructure, you name it...
America is being incrementally compromised and undermined. Many feel this is all intentional.
All this has been created by endless government growth, government’s desire to control, government unions, and wide spread government mismanagement and corruption.
Well, let’s hope so: a Christian leader moves the capital out of the rotten-to-the-core decadent original capital, and after societal collapse in the original homeland (Italy in the original, the northeast in the rerun), the self-consciously Christian nation (Roman Empire in the original, United States in the rerun) continues for another thousand years or so.
I just hope we manage to learn from history and don’t neglect the fleet and start relying on a 28th century analogue of Genoan mercenaries for our defense when we come to that phase of the rerun: if we don’t we might even be able to keep going longer.
Obama in the White House has been a green light to expand evil. Until 4 years ago there were some constraints on the issues and points of view the left was willing to push forward. Obama's presence in the White House broke the dam that held back evil. Truth and decency have been completely abandoned by the Democrats and the Media. The truth is mocked, honesty and hard work are punished, and indecency and sloth are celebrated.
“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity,
religion and morality are indispensable supports.
In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them.
A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation deserts the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.
Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”
- George Washington, presidential Farewell Address
Well, you skipped a few misadventures, such as the year of four emperors (69 AD, hmm, right after Nero), the sale of the Empire (to Pertinax, 191 AD, because Commodus was such a monster and left no clear successor). Elagabalus, about 210 AD, a completely dissolute emperor, followed by mainly military warlords until Diocletian and division of the Empire into at least two major and two minor parts, each ruled by a different man. Then came Constantine, who stabilized the monarchy for a time. But Rome was sacked by Alaric in 410 AD and repeatedly assaulted up to and through 476 AD, which is the date Romulus Augustulus was simply deposed. To date the end of the West with that is to note that a corpse dead for 150 years was finally never going to revive, as I see it.
I think it will be more like the USSR. What should have been obvious years ago will seem sudden and unexpected to many who simply could not face what was happening around them. There are still people who believe America can survive its pervasive and hardening divisions.
All true. However, my point was that the misdeeds and immorality of Nero and Caligula cannot rationally be used as direct causation for the “Fall of Rome” almost 400 years later.
It would be like saying America is doomed to fall because one of the Pilgrim Fathers was homosexual.
America is too young a civilization, to be showing the signs of moral and cultural decadence that are associated with very old civilizations. An American Nero like Obama has arrived about 1000 years too early.
I disagree, instead of using the sheer age of civilisation, index it along technological progress and you will see we are living in NEro times already. It is called accelerating returns and acts as a time multiplier.
If you graph tech onnovations vs. moral decay you will see that once tech innovations peak we will start to see moral decay, these days we are not innovating as much as we used to vs. other countries and this means we have “peaked out” so to speak..
Same for Rome and Babylon....
You’re certainly correct about that assessment, both sides.
One element to consider is the question of the perception the citizenry have of their personal security. Regardless of the facts, if the populace see themselves as generally safe in all their ways, then they get complacent and their morals and ethics become slack. The civilization slides from being ethically stoic to being ethically epicurean...and that spells doom. Vital civilizations then appear to overrun it (in fact the populace embraces the alien civilization and merges with it).
I’ve always thought the debate about why Rome fell was kind of funny.
Given the ephemeral nature of most empires through history, what requires explanation is not the fall of Rome, but how it managed to last so long.
The Republic lasted about 500 years, as did the Empire up to the fall of the Western Empire. The Eastern Empire held out another thousand years.
So we’re talking about an entity that lasted 500 to 2000 years, depending on how you slice it, and we’re amazed it didn’t last longer?!
It will probably sink slowly like a pile of putrefying produce.
You’re welcome for the alliteration.
There's a problem with your tech analogy.
There was little real technological advance, in our terms, from 500 BC to 500 AD. The Roman Empire grew up and thrived in what was really a technologically stagnant society.
They had some advancements, mainly in architecture and such, but the Middle Ages, which we think of as stagnant, were much more inventive technologically. Roman dominance in war and such was not due to technological improvements, but rather to the fact that they used existing tech much more effectively.
The real tech society of the world through this whole period was China, which oddly enough almost completely stopped innovating about the same time the West took off technologically.
Very strange, that.
Mongols? I thought it was the Medo-Persian empire that conquered Babylon.
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