Ron Paul slams Boston police. Has he gone too far?

Yahoo! News ^ | 04/30/2013 | Peter Grier

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Ron Paul, in a posting on the website of a libertarian activist, accused US law enforcement of 'a military-style occupation of an American city' in its response to the Boston bombing. Former GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul has slammed US law enforcement for responding to the Boston Marathon bombing with “police state tactics.” In a post on the website of libertarian activist Lew Rockwell, Mr. Paul said Monday that the governmental reaction to the tragic explosions was worse than the attack itself...

[SoldierDad]

It would appear to me that there are people on FR who are suggesting that Law Enforcement, in a case like this, should have backed off from looking for the perps, and perhaps allow citizens (who may be armed, but certainly not trained) hunt down the perps.

I once had approximately a dozen LEO's surrounding my vehicle with weapons aimed at me at a roadblock when I lived in North Dakota. They were hunting for two men who had murdered a State Trooper and wounded his partner. My vehicle was the same make, model, year, and color as the vehicle the perps were in. Given the circumstances, I did not feel violated. I simply complied until they identified me, and I went on my way. They had a job to do.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Like I said, I can't wait until you get to experience getting frog-marched out of your house at gunpoint.

You have to admit, you deserve whatever they dish out in the name of "safety."

[cripplecreek]

Then why are the people obeying unconstitutional orders?

When the county pressured our township supervisor to impose a string of ordinances, he said there was no point because the people around here would just ignore them.

[JimSEA]

Everything you say matches what I’ve seen as well. However, the WSJ/NYT opinion poll, released conveniently today, says 68% of Americans approve Obama’s handling of the Boston bombing. Now I never saw that he did anything other than mouth platitudes and send in Holder to gather evidence and shut up the perp.

[SoldierDad]

No, the cops burned a bunch of ammo, and the younger brother ran over his older brother's neck. Scratch one.

So, who put the bullet holes into the older brother? And, are you suggesting the younger brother would have run over his older brother had not the cops showed up? Okay. Go with that.

And then, after the cops got tired of trampling the Constitution, a citizen ID'ed him and the cops showed up to burn yet more ammo without killing the guy.

The citizen phoned in to 911 that there was a man in his boat hiding. I doubt the citizen obtained identification of the person hiding in his boat. I cannot explain the circumstances around the shooting at the boat, as I wasn't there. These cops were obviously not from Texas. Bottom line is the citizen did not take the perp into custody. Every day in America citizens call 911 and alert police to perps, who are subsequently arrested. That doesn't mean the cops didn't do their job.

[Democrat_media]

did you see the video? These gov jack booted thugs pointed hundreds of guns at each resident and Ordered each out of their house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=B_Gb6i5DF9k&NR=1

the liberal mass governor also ORDERED a million citizens to not leave their house and for no one to go in

try wathing this instead of the national news media account. step away form CNN and FoX

[x]

You could leave out the entire episode of forcing people out of their homes at gunpoint without a warrent, and the thing would have gone down the same.

If they knew how badly he was wounded in advance perhaps they could have.

But the decision was based on what they knew at the time and the assumption that the killer could have blended with crowds and walked away. Hence the decision to shut down the subway and ask people to remain at home.

One guy took a video of people being forced out of their house. Most other people didn't report that happening to them or seeing it happening to other people. We don't know that it was anything more than one incident.

I despise statists.

1) Who, all things considered, isn't a "statist" in one way or another? Even George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Thomas Paine are "statists" to some angry libertarian somewhere.

2) Despising people isn't something you want to make a habit of. People who do can get really insufferable.

[JRandomFreeper]

Taking perps into custody IS their job.

Rousting citizens from their homes at gunpoint IS NOT their job, and is actually forbidden unless there is a warrant.

That's the big difference.

Citizen didn't have to ID the perp in the boat with a picture ID. He knew that someone was on his property that didn't belong there. That's the way things are supposed to work.

/johnny

[JRandomFreeper]

People who do can get really insufferable.

I'm ok with it. I get it here on FR every election cycle when I say I won't vote for the GOP liberal.

/johnny

[dragnet2]

Absolutely...

What we saw in Boston was government hysteria having finally got a chance for thousands of these cops to run around playing military in the streets, chasing very unsophisticated criminals...They could have killed and mowed more down at the marathon using a car.

It was absolute big government bull sh*t, acting as if the entire city was under attack...

[Democrat_media]

nobody said not to let your great government from looking for the perps.

try watching what the police really did to Americans. Forced them out of their homes at gun point and patted them down etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=B_Gb6i5DF9k&NR=1

the liberal mass governor also ORDERED a million citizens to not leave their house and for no one to go in

you trust gov don't you . maybe you get big sis to come protect you from the big bad threats herself, fake theats like another Adam Lanza( which statistically is a nonexistent event mass shootings that is)

Big sis napolitano, Obama , the Massachusetts governor and his storm troopers, the govenrment and the media are the terrorists

[SoldierDad]

Rousting citizens from their homes at gunpoint IS NOT their job, and is actually forbidden unless there is a warrant.

It's apparent you are unfamiliar with the various long standing rulings handed down by SCOTUS on the above!

[cripplecreek]

I had a cop pull a gun on me once too. I was in a bad neighborhood looking like a double homicide suspect. I even spent a half hour in handcuffs waiting for a cop who knew the suspect to show up and confirm that I wasn’t the guy. They showed me the picture and I would have stopped me too.

It was no big deal. They apologized, suggested that I might find another neighborhood to hang out indue to the victim’s families living there and me being a dead ringer.

[JRandomFreeper]

Don't give a rat's pointy little tail what some justices in robes say. 4th Amendment requires it from a plain reading.

You, however, seem ok with trampling the Constitution.

/johnny

[dragnet2]

I’ve noticed no one has a solution for a better way for Law Enforcement to have approached the hunt for two murderous terrorist thugs.

Bull sh*t...It was a GD homeowner who called the cops as thousands of cops were playing military searching homes which were not even involved...

This is how most crimes are solved. The cops get tip, a phone call, and they rush in, many times attempting to take credit for "solving" the crime and finding the perpetrator.

It's why the feds released the video...They couldn't find these AH's who lived right down the road.

They were busing cops in by the school bus load with a billion dollars with to LE resources running around like WWIII started.... It was big government hysterical BS the likes of which have never been seen...

It was an absolute scary embarrassment, and likely what's to come regarding bloated, out of control authoritative big government attitude towards people on the streets and in their homes.

[mylife]

The scariest part of the entire debacle is how they are conditioning the citizens to think this is the “new normal”.

[Oztrich Boy]

Seems to me that law enforcement ended the ability for these two islamists to continue their mass killings and maimings. What was it that the cops didn't do, then? And, in what manner was the problem resolved WITHOUT law enforcement involvement?

Well. the first terrorist was taken out by a citizen.

THe second was actyually found by a another citizen. The cops just made a lot of noise and broke stuff until he gave up.

[EVO X]

Maybe we will learn more as time goes on and the lawsuits start flying, but emergency cerfews are not unconstitutional. Tell me how the searches were unreasonable - that is the Constitutional standard. As far as I could tell, they were contained, focused on the suspect, and nobody was arrested for anything the police may have seen in their houses during these searches?

Somebody has to object to the policing behavior or it doesn't matter..

[yadent]

If I remember correctly, law enforcement wasn’t rousting residents, imposing defacto martial law for just 2 bombers, they did this AFTER a LEO was murdered. Killing civilians-bad, killing a LEO—VERY bad. Police have the right to enter residencies in ‘hot pursuit’ or with strong suspicion minus a warrant, but to enter on a ‘guess’ or a ‘might be’ violates the whole principal of the 4th Amendment. I don’t give a damn if the ‘majority’ are OK with ‘grey area’ violations. The Constitution and Bill of Rights are there for the protection of all but especially the ‘minority’. But after being ‘rights raped’ the people cheered those who did it so I guess it’s all good. One other point, the FBI had known about the brothers since at least 2011, possibly since 2009. So when the post-bombing photos came out, no one from the FBI knew who these guys were? Really? Why didn’t the authorities shut down the area where the brothers lived/hung out? After all the younger one was reportedly seen partying and working out in his ‘hood. Are the FBI that incompetent??

[Alberta's Child]

That’s awesome.