Posted on 03/17/2013 2:47:35 PM PDT by AuntB
NOTE: Fox News reports that House Republicans have nearly finished working on their version of an amnesty bill. Folks, please call and write your Congressman and your Senators and tell them that you will NEVER vote for them again if they sponsor, cosponsor, or vote for amnesty in any form.
It’s clear that, on illegal immigration, Republicans, like the Bourbons of the Restoration Era, have forgotten nothing and learned nothing. Republicans – including both classic RINOs such as John McCain and Lindsey Graham and supposed “conservatives” like Marco Rubio – are again pushing for amnesty. Things are being made worse by the fact that this time around, libertarians, led by Sen. Rand Paul, support them on amnesty. (Paul supports a “path to citizenship” if the border is secured – as determined by… whom, exactly? We don’t know.)
A few weeks ago, Marco Rubio, flanked by discredited RINOs John McCain and Lindsey Graham and by four Democratic Senators, announced his support for “bipartisan” immigration law reform that would include amnesty for illegal aliens after the border is “secured” (whatever that word means).
The next day, as Pat Buchanan points out, President Obama rejected these RINO’s surrender offer – their offer of conditional amnesty – reminding the pro-amnesty RINOs that those who surrender don’t dictate the terms of surrender.
These RINOs and other people tell us that the GOP must embrace amnesty for illegal aliens in order to win Hispanics’ votes. Embrace amnesty or perish, they tell us.
But they’re dead wrong. The GOP will perish if it adopts their proposals, NOT if it rejects amnesty. That’s because most Hispanics are natural liberals, and giving amnesty (under whatever name) to 12-20 million illegal immigrants from the Third World will create 12-20 million new Democrat voters.
Say there are only 12 mn illegal immigrants in America. Let’s assume they’re legalized and that Republicans achieve George W. Bush levels of the Hispanic vote (44%). That still gives the Democrats a net gain of 1.6 million new voters – 6.72 mn new supporters vs 5.28 mn.
Easy to see why the Democrats are for this. But why would a Republican Party that is not suicidally-minded support this?
If amnesty is passed, you can kiss the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and many governorships and state legislatures goodbye, forever. Republicans will never again be able to win any national election again. The Democrats will gain at least 1.6 mn new voters on net and will thus have permanent majorities in Arizona, Texas, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada.
When Texas goes, America goes.
Consider: while 18 states that have a combined 242 Electoral College votes have voted Democratic in the last consecutive six presidential elections, cobbling together an EC majority has been increasingly difficult for Republicans. Republicans last did it in 2004, and completely failed to do so in 4 of the last 6 elections.
California, overwhelmed by immigrants (legal and illegal), is now stridently liberal. New Mexico is now also out of reach for the GOP. Colorado, Nevada, Virginia, and Florida are increasingly problematic for Republicans. Only Texas and Arizona remain secure – for now.
As Pat Buchanan likes to say: when Texas goes, America goes.
If amnesty becomes law, there goes Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Florida, Virginia, and Texas, and there goes the presidency, forever.
The “natural conservatives” canard
In response, we always hear “But don’t worry, Hispanics are natural conservatives. They are devout Catholics, devout social conservatives, work hard, and want to achieve the American dream.”
This canard is utterly false. This description is true only of a minority of Hispanics – those whom conservatives usually meet. But the vast majority of Hispanics don’t fit that description at all.
As a demographic group, Hispanics are less likely than any other (other than Jews) to attend church or support conservative policies, more likely to support liberal ones, and more likely than any other group (other than blacks) to vote Democratic, achieve poor school grades, drop out of high school, commit crimes, end up in prison, have children out of wedlock, be pregnant during teenagehood (girls), be raised by single parents, and be dependent on welfare and other government programs.
This is the antithesis of a natural conservative.
The canard about Hispanics being “natural conservatives” is even more idiotic than the one about blacks being “natural conservatives”. At least blacks really are social conservatives – they simply vote Democratic anyway, ignoring the fact that the Democrats support abortion on demand (read: the Holocaust of black children[1]) and gay marriage.
And as Ann Coulter points out, last year, Hispanics were almost alone in increasing the share of their vote going to Obama from 2008 to 2012. Only they and Asians voted for Obama in greater numbers in 2012 than in 2008. (The black vote for Obama remained, alas, unchanged at over 90%.)
Every other demographic group: whites, men, women, youngsters, Evangelicals, Catholics, Jews – gave a larger share of their vote to the Republican nominee in 2012 than in 2008. In fact, if the election were to be decided only by whites, or if the electorate had been as white in 2012 as it was in 1980, Romney would’ve trashed Obama by a landslide.
It is ethnic minorities – Hispanics, Asians, and blacks – who reelected Obama.
Profiles in Welfare
And what does a typical Hispanic (or black) voter look like? Pat Buchanan gives us the answer.
He or she is raised by a single mother. He/she, like his single mom, is completely dependent on the federal government and its cornucopia of social programs for survival.[2]
His/her education is paid for, K-12, by the federal and state governments. For college, he can apply for federal student loans and other federal programs. For food, mom has foodstamps, and children get 2-3 federally-subsidized meals at school every day.
If mom works, she has no tax liability thanks to a high no-tax treshold and the Earned Income Tax Credit. If she doesn’t work, she gets welfare benefits, including 99 weeks of unemployment compensation.
For healthcare, there’s Medicaid and Obamacare.
And that’s the majority of Hispanic families. Why would these people vote for a party that pledges to cut taxes they don’t pay and promises to cut the government programs they benefit from? Wouldn’t logic dictate voting for a party that promises to let them keep this entire cornucopia of federal benefits and even to expand them?
The problem is all immigration – not just illegal immigration
We’re also being constantly told another cretinous canard: that legal immigration is fine, it’s just illegal immigration that’s problematic.
But this is also utterly false. Legal immigration is also a huge drain on the Treasury and a huge political threat to the GOP. The problem is not just illegal immigration; the problem is immigration, period.
Since 1965, a million newcomers have immigrated to America every year on average, the vast majority of them from dysfunctional, socialist Third World countries like Mexico.
It is thanks to THESE immigrants that California and New Mexico are now out of reach and why CO, NV, FL, and VA are increasingly problematic for the GOP. It is thanks to THESE legal immigrants that Obama was elected and reelected. If they hadn’t been present in the US, Obama would’ve never been elected, let alone reelected after a disastrous first term.
Therefore, not only should Republicans stop amnesty dead in its tracks, they must also severely restrict legal immigration when they retake the White House and the Senate. This must include eliminating chain immigration, a 10-year moratorium on legal immigration, and then, allowing only highly-educated, English-speaking immigrants who will be able to find a job and will not become a drain on taxpayers.
Statistics from the Center for Immigration Studies prove that when legal immigration grows, illegal immigration grows with it; and when the rate of legal immigration is reduced, illegal immigration declines concurrently.
Remember: the problem is not just “illegal immigration”, the problem is immigration, period.
A matter of life and death
As Ann Coulter points out, massive immigration – both legal and illegal – has turned California into such a liberal state that no Republican can win statewide in California anymore. Not so long ago, this state gave America great Republican Senators and Governors such as Richard Nixon, S. I. Hayakawa, Ronald Reagan, and Pete Wilson.
New Mexico has now gone the same way. The GOP nowadays can’t even win presidential elections in CO, NV, FL, or VA. Only Arizona and Texas remain secure – for now.
And as Pat Buchanan says, when Texas goes, America goes.
We conservatives must not allow that to happen. Amnesty must be stopped dead in its tracks, and legal immigration must be severely restricted.
This is literally a matter of life and death, for the GOP, the conservative movement, and the Country.
"Say there are only 12 mn illegal immigrants in America. Let’s assume they’re legalized and that Republicans achieve George W. Bush levels of the Hispanic vote (44%). That still gives the Democrats a net gain of 1.6 million new voters – 6.72 mn new supporters vs 5.28 mn.
Easy to see why the Democrats are for this. But why would a Republican Party that is not suicidally-minded support this?
If amnesty is passed, you can kiss the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and many governorships and state legislatures goodbye, forever. Republicans will never again be able to win any national election again. The Democrats will gain at least 1.6 mn new voters on net and will thus have permanent majorities in Arizona, Texas, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada"
This is what Donald Trump was trying to say at CPAC. And he’s right!
CPAC 2013: Donald Trump: Immigration reform is a ‘suicide mission’ for GOP
[snip]The Donald” also weighed into the thorny issue of immigration.
“The fact is 11 million people will be voting Democratic. You can be out front. You can be the spearhead. You can do whatever you want to do, but everyone of those 11 million people will be voting Democratic,” he said. “It is just the way it works.”
“You have to be very, very careful, because you could say that to a certain extent the odds aren’t looking so great for Republicans, that you are on a suicide mission,” he said. “You are just not going to get those votes.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2997159/posts
Millions of immigrants unwilling to assimilate will destroy the republic, which is all in the rat’s plan. Breeding constituents wasn’t fast enough. They must now import them.
immigration law reform that would include amnesty for illegal aliens
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immigration law is for immigrants not illegal aliens...
illegal aliens are not immigrants...
Say there are only 12 mn illegal immigrants in America
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I dont know what an illegal immigrant is suppose to be...
but there are 30 MILLION illegal aliens in America...
The primary difference between the people who came here seeking a better life, and illegal immigrants is obvious.
For the Immigrant, who came through the legal channels - this was a “Do” or “Die” mission. There was no going back if things didn’t pan out. They had no safety net, they came here to succeed with a work ethic, pledging their life, their honor and their skills to creating a stronger America. And America grew stronger because of them, whether they were European, Asian, or any other ethnicity.
Today, we have “Parasites” who are here only to take what they can suck from a host. Demand things from their host that they would never dream of asking for at home; then send their earnings back home to await their return. When they have sucked the blood out of our economy, when they have destroyed what America has created, when America finally actually asks something from them - I would stake my life on the fact that they will flee back home.
Easy way to prove this. Ask any American of European descent to mock their European roots, and chances are they will gladly do that, and laugh at their home. Norwegian, German, Hungarian, Italy, etc. We all laugh at those jokes.
But, make a crack about Mexico in front of a Mexican - and you will see where their loyalties lie.
Rotsa ruck.
The Democrats are absolutely determined that illegal aliens be made voting citizens and recipients of massive transfers of funds from the producing class to non-producers.
This will gurantee an enormous and dependent voting bloc to keep the Democrats in power forever, at the expense of the United States.
Machiavellian and amoral?
Yes, but clearly their lust for power transcends all other goals.
Well said!
The elephant in the living room is Ted Kennedy’s 1965 Family Reunification Act. legals are abusing this (personal observation), so you know the “new” Americans will do the same.
The Act allows the Newbies to bring over mom and dad and all the other “close relatives”. If they are of retirement age, they immediately go on Social Security. If they are disabled, they immediately go on SSDI. None of them have paid a penny into the system. Next the politicians will say they have to raise SS taxes as the fund is running dry earlier than expected.
The right word doesn’t matter a wit when the illegal/legal/immigrant -whatever is here living off the taxpayer. I’m sorry to be so pessimistic but we’re done, the Republican Party is done and so is America. The will of the people is to be coddled and supported by a diminishing class of stressed out working citizens and spoon-fed pabulum’s about how noble it is to be a drain on the system by the most incompetent and biggest narcissistic prick of a president this nation has ever had to suffer.
Yeah. Go back to what it was before 1965. 300,000 a year let in and possessed of an education or skill so as not to be a drain on the rest of us and having a relative of natural or legalized status to sponsor said immigrant. The are already laws on the books about entering the country illegally, enforce them!
Walk through any Walmart. Got Mexican mamas and daddies pushing a cart with 3 kids and one on the way. Only four out of the six people are “legal”. Nobody speaking English. Over the loud speakers I hear an announcement in Spanish. What did she say? No English. Mama and Daddy pull up to check out....WIC cards and Lonestar cards are whipped out. The Black checkout girl asks a question. The 4 year old translates for Mama. An old lady comes up from behind with kids clothes. She’s here legally for now...until her permit expires. Been here for maybe 2 weeks.
It’s over folks. Once Texas flips it is hopeless. I was an election judge and saw these legal immigrants vote straight Dem in droves. They get food stamps and free healthcare I am sure. They get small business loans courtesy of the taxpayer and free everything else. The parasites are killing the host.
Need I go on?
“But they’re dead wrong. The GOP will perish if it adopts their proposals, NOT if it rejects amnesty. That’s because most Hispanics are natural liberals, and giving amnesty (under whatever name) to 12-20 million illegal immigrants from the Third World will create 12-20 million new Democrat voters.”
A substantial percentage of the members of this forum probably still hope in their hearts (if not believe outright) that if the GOP agrees to amnesty, we’ll get more Hispanic votes.
It’s hopeless, Jim….
(apologies to Dr. McCoy)
Anglo germanic hispanic everything americans must unite and shut down congress with emails texts phone everything. Learn to twitter and warn everyone about the gop turncoats. TAKE BACK AMERICA. SAVE. IT FOR THOSE WHO LOVE IT. REFORM IT SO WE AGAIN ARE A COUNTRY UNDER GOD.
The media has been spouting that number for almost 20 years now. They forget that these people are reproducing. The number has at least tripled that by now. In another 20 years there will be 100 million here but the media will be spouting the same ole lies.
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