Posted on 03/13/2013 7:23:38 AM PDT by GrootheWanderer
Senators negotiating a bill mandating background checks for all gun buyers are privately expecting the National Rifle Association not to fight the measure -- provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks, NBC News has learned.
If that requirement is met and key Republican negotiator Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma signs on, the powerful gun lobby has signaled to lawmakers that they would not actively oppose the bill -- and not count votes in favor of it as part of its highly influential NRA lawmaker ratings -- according to Senate aides familiar with the stalled negotiations.
Such a deal could clear the way for a universal background check bill, a central tenet of President Barack Obama's gun control initiative, to pass the Senate with significant Republican support. Odds of passage in the House would brighten significantly as a result.
The NRA denies being part of any agreement. "We do not take positions on hypotheticals. We will make our position known if and when legislation is introduced," said Chris Cox, the group's top lobbyist.
The NRA is still adamantly opposed to expanding background checks to private sales. "To be clear, the National Rifle Association does not support legislation that would criminalize otherwise lawful transfers of firearms between law abiding Americans," Cox said.
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Statement from Chris W. Cox, NRA-ILA Executive Director, regarding inaccurate NBC story alleging that NRA won't oppose background check bill
An article appearing today on NBCNews.com is falsely reporting that NRA will not oppose legislation being negotiated in the U.S. Senate that would mandate background checks for all gun purchasers.
The story posted on NBCNews.com alleges that NRA will not oppose expanding the background check system to include all private firearm sales, "provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks". This statement is completely untrue. The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.
The NRA supports meaningful efforts to address the problems of violent crime and mass violence in America, through swift and certain prosecution of violent criminals; securing our schools; and fixing our broken mental health system.
An article appearing today on NBCNews.com is falsely reporting that NRA will not oppose legislation being negotiated in the U.S. Senate that would mandate background checks for all gun purchasers.
The story posted on NBCNews.com alleges that NRA will not oppose expanding the background check system to include all private firearm sales, "provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks". This statement is completely untrue. The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.
The NRA supports meaningful efforts to address the problems of violent crime and mass violence in America, through swift and certain prosecution of violent criminals; securing our schools; and fixing our broken mental health system.
Perhaps they mean that records of the background check (and hence the transfer) are not maintained.
I have no problem about MY retention of the checks. I am diametrically and vehemently opposed (to the point of outright civil war) to GOVERNMENT retention of the transaction. It is nothing more than registration and that is nothing more than confiscation yet executed.
Unlike the Jews in prewar NAZI Germany, I will not go quietly into the night. Nor will I let supposed self interested groups negotiate away my Bill of Rights affirmed rights.
The registration part is what this is all about for the left.
No.
I have no problem with criminal background checks if you want to buy a gun. Walk into a gun store, do instant check, and be cleared for a week for any transaction you may or may not make. However, there is no reason that the government needs to know whether a sale occurred or not, and if it did, what was purchased.
I hear a lot of talk about compromise, but that means each side gives up something. I see them only taking, and giving nothing.
They demand everything, settle for only a portion, then call it “compromise”. But we only lost, they only gained ground.
We can help on that point...
Anyone who believes NBC over the NRA belongs over at KOS or the DUmp, not here.
ANd private sales should be completely unregulated. The so called “gun show loophole” is simply an attempt to bring all private sales under a national organizing system.
Father to son, friend loaning to a neighbor, etc,,, all would be illegal.
If the 4473 didn’t record make, model, and serial number of the gun(s) being transferred, as well as the name, address, and DL of the buyer, I would be much less opposed to them. (Although, not completely unopposed.) However, 4473s do contain such information, and therefore amount to gun registration, and therefore are unacceptable to me. Nothing stops the BATFABCDE from copying such records (in the name of verifying “compliance”) and therefore generating a registration database. That such data collection is illegal is worth less than nothing to me, they have already been found to have done that before, therefore, the law banning such activities is less than worthless, it lulls unthinking voters - and legislators - into falsely believing that registration records can not be kept.
I would much prefer some sort of “trusted good person” symbol, say, on one’s driver’s license, and if you have it and the authorities can verify that it’s legit, then you can buy whatever you want with no records of the sales being connectable to your identity. (The gun store might still want to keep records of lawful sales, but if they can be connected to individuals personally, that’s registration.)
This is just backdoor registration, and fedgov permission to buy, sell or transfer a gun. Even to your son.
1. Registration 2. Confiscation 3. Extermination
Were the Armenians, Kulaks, Jews etc treated better, or worse, after they complied with “reasonable” gun registration plans?
They buyers wont keep a record but the FFL completing the check will.
Every single compromise is in the direction of the gun banners. Not once do they give ground.
Buyers or transfers?
It would have to track the serial number. How else would you prove a background check was completed for the transfer?
You know what they can do with their “background” deal?...
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