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GOP Moves to Scrap Winner-Take-All Voting
Newser ^ | Jan 25, 2013 | Mark Russell

Posted on 01/26/2013 11:45:40 AM PST by Baynative

Republicans in swing states that went for President Obama are pushing for a big change in how the Electoral College works, reports the Washington Post. The idea is to apportion electoral votes according to congressional district, instead of the winner-take-all system that most states employ. In Virginia, for example, the difference would be dramatic—Obama would have taken only four of the state's 13 electoral votes in 2012.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kansas; US: Maine; US: Pennsylvania; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: badidea; elections; electoralcollege; gop; winnertakeall
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To: re_nortex

Awarding EVs based on majority of counties would violate the ‘one man, one vote’ principle that the SC invented in the ‘60s. No foreseeable court will change that.

Awarding EVs based on congressional districts is OK because CD populations are roughly equal.

Good luck with getting 38 states on that amendment.


21 posted on 01/26/2013 12:25:02 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: G Larry

“It “may” have mattered ONLY in this last election, which is a really bad frame of reference for making this far reaching change.”

Explain yourself - the previous election went the same way. This makes sense to me as a general rule. The presidential election would basically follow the congressional one. It also would make the races much harder to predict.


22 posted on 01/26/2013 12:26:23 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: Baynative

Different states are moving in different directions depending upon on their politics. The ones where eliminating WTA would benefit conservatives the most are Dim states with sizeable Repub minorities. So places like California despite professing to hate the Electoral College will not do this to avoid helping enfranchise Republicans and noncity voters.


23 posted on 01/26/2013 12:34:56 PM PST by jarwulf
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To: Baynative

Repeal the 17th. This is why many Republicans in states with large cities have no voice in the Senate.


24 posted on 01/26/2013 12:36:14 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: G Larry

“Actually, it’s the WORST thing Republicans could do.”

Unequivocally yes. Apportionment by CD is one thing. Apportionment by popular vote, quite another.


25 posted on 01/26/2013 12:36:33 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: G Larry
Actually, it’s the WORST thing Republicans could do.

Agreed

I "might" make for a short term gain but in the long run defiantly a bad move.

26 posted on 01/26/2013 12:37:10 PM PST by TYVets
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To: Viennacon
"Obama can claim the Republicans are trying to disenfranchise voters..."

I think that's a great argument in our favor. In many states elections are controlled by one or two urban areas while the rest of the state is disenfranchised. Washington, where I live in an example of this. It was considered a deep blue state with 12 votes going to Obama in a winner take all contest when in actuality only 4 congressional districts were solid blue, two were pretty close and 6 were red. In a proportional allocation those 6 red votes would have gone to Romney. Even though those districts vote republican, many people don't bother to turn out because they know we are controlled by three urban counties and most of the state votes don't matter, except for local offices.

27 posted on 01/26/2013 12:37:56 PM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: redgolum
Texas has 38 electoral votes. I haven't tracked their returns, but I'd imagine there would have been at least ten votes going to Obama from Houston, Austin and heavy latino areas along the border.

One thing I've found is that getting a pictorial map of the district allocation is almost impossible. I have to go to each state returns and then add votes myself. Could it be the media would like to keep these numbers as quiet as possible? I think so since it's dems who are pushing to do away with the electoral college and decide all elections by popular vote.

28 posted on 01/26/2013 12:45:36 PM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
The Dems have proven that pure demographics (blacks and hispanics) can win an election....good evidence of "how to beat the electoral college".

Yes, it should be national.

29 posted on 01/26/2013 12:47:08 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: RIghtwardHo
Though I think the EC should be abolished.

What would you replace it with?

30 posted on 01/26/2013 12:48:30 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Baynative

The Dems won’t go for this.....they would lose consistently.


31 posted on 01/26/2013 12:50:19 PM PST by jch10 (Hey GOP! Only Conservatives get my vote.)
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To: G Larry

I tend to agree with you Larry. Our Founder’s brilliance is in everything they implemented. The changes made to our founding principles such as the 17th amendment are why we are in the position we’re in now.

Leave the electoral college alone but push for ratification of Article The First (Google it), and watch the nation turn around in just one election cycle! Pushing for the repeal of the 17th amendment would be helpful as well.

Finally, return to the founding principles, call for a special session of Congress to review the entirety of the US Code and repeal laws that are unconstitutional by the original intent of our nation’s founding documents, and force the closure of unconstitutional executive branch offices (I.e. DoE, EPA, ATF, and the NLRB), and we will be in a much better place.

Pie in the sky, I know, but someone has to say it.


32 posted on 01/26/2013 12:50:41 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: G Larry
Actually, it’s the WORST thing Republicans could do.

How did the Founding Fathers know they would one day save America from having the mentally disturbed Al Gore as POTUS? As long as I live, I will always remember how the Electoral College system saved us.

All the analysis about advantage, different outcomes assumes that the candidates and their campaigns would deploy time and resources as they do now. New rules for allocating electors would change the emphasis. Someone thinking that Romney would have won on a Congressional District based Electoral College are akin to someone using the rules of Hearts to play Spades.
33 posted on 01/26/2013 12:51:02 PM PST by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: Baynative
In many states elections are controlled by one or two urban areas while the rest of the state is disenfranchised.

The 17th amendment is a perfect example of that. Michigan is dominated by republicans but Detroit, Ann Arbor, and Flint consistently elect Stupidcow and Lenin. It was popular vote snake oil sold under the banner of empowerment and delivered exactly the opposite.
34 posted on 01/26/2013 12:51:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: who knows what evil?
Repeal the 17th. This is why many Republicans in states with large cities have no voice in the Senate.<\i>

Completely agree! Also ratify Article the First.

35 posted on 01/26/2013 12:53:18 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
Leave the electoral college

Nobody is even proposing changing the electoral college. The states have always had the power to allocate their electoral votes as they saw fit.
36 posted on 01/26/2013 12:54:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"Has to be national though."

It's up to individual states. Like I said there are currently two that allocate proportionally at present. Look at what goes on in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio or Washington where the entire state is controlled by a congested urban area where fraudulent voting by unions and government dependents is the norm. Those states might see a much different outcome if all their rural voters had a voice.

Note, also, that the DNC is working to end the electoral college. Any idea why?

37 posted on 01/26/2013 12:56:08 PM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: Baynative

The good news is that it puts a firewall around all the vote fraud plagued inner cities. The bad news is that it won’t get enacted in a state unless the Republicans control the governor’s office and the legislature.


38 posted on 01/26/2013 12:56:10 PM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: cripplecreek

There was more to my post than that first part. I said to leave it alone, not just to leave it.


39 posted on 01/26/2013 12:56:21 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Baynative

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m542/swolf318/USCongressionalDistrictsbyPresidentialElection2008small.png

http://www.theliberaloc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/electoral-votes-by-cd-map-4_1.png


40 posted on 01/26/2013 12:56:40 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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