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America's coming civil war -- makers vs. takers
Fox News ^ | Published July 12, 2012 | Arthur Herman

Posted on 11/07/2012 3:51:00 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

Abe Lincoln used those words in 1858 to describe a country that was careening toward civil war. Now we’re a house divided again and another civil war is coming, with the 2012 election as its Gettysburg.

Call it America’s coming civil war between the Makers and the Takers.

On one side are those who create wealth, America’s private sector–the very ones targeted by President Obama’s tax hikes announced Monday.

On the other are the public employee unions; left-leaning intelligentsia who see the growth of government as index of progress; and the millions of Americans now dependent on government through a growing network of government transfer payments, from Medicaid and Social Security to college loans and corporate bailouts and handouts (think GM and Solyndra).

Over the past century America’s private sector has been the source of productivity, innovation, creativity, and growth–and gave us the iPhone and iPad. The public sector has been the engine of entitlement, stagnation, and decline -- and gave us Detroit and the South Bronx.

The private sector built the strongest economy in the world. It armed the free world in World War Two, and then in the three decades after the war turned America into the most prosperous society history had ever seen. It revived America in the Reagan and Clinton years, and thanks to the Bush tax cuts brought this country back from economic collapse after 9/11.

In those same years a growing public sector, by contrast, turned Europe into a cesspool of debt, stalled economies, and chronic social dysfunction that’s set the streets of Athens -- and perhaps other European capitals--on fire.

That’s where we’re headed, too, more rapidly than we like to think.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; civilwar; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; democrats; govtabuse; liberalfascism; liberalism; liberals; obama; obamavoters; progressives; shtf; socialism; socialistdemocrats; tyranny; waronliberty; welfarestate
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To: mikrofon
Or, you could join the great State of Pennsylvania. We would become the largest dairy and beef producer in the US, and one of the largest wine and produce states as well (actually, probably the largest after Mexifornia goes their own way...)

To sweeten the deal: We are ceding FilthyDelphia to New Jersey. They haven't decided whether to call it "Christieville," "West Camden," or "New Ho Chi Minh City" (the folks in East Camden, NJ think "Ho Chi Minh" is the name of a female Chinese rapper. Idiots.) Irrelevant: we'll be building the same height and perimeter of wall to keep them out when their liberal paradise implodes regardless of what they call it. And the good news: we will keep the Republican half of the Rooney family and the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Just think about it. I believe we could bring in most of Ohio south of "The Mistake on the Lake."

81 posted on 11/07/2012 6:27:12 PM PST by FredZarguna (I'm sorry, General Washington. We owed you and the men at Valley Forge so much more than this.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Looks like it’ll soon be difficult for govm’t thugs to get life insurance if this stuff is on the MSM!

Just cut their retirement rip-offs,and see them scatter.


82 posted on 11/07/2012 6:30:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

You can count on all of California east of the west rim of the central valley to come with you. (that’s all of the water, forest, and farm land.)


83 posted on 11/07/2012 6:35:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: liberty or death

>> “Went up to the NW part and it was like being in Seattle. Bunch of fudgin weirdo’s” <<

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REtired California screwel teechurs.


84 posted on 11/07/2012 6:39:49 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: FredZarguna

You need tons of help in Pennsylvania; you couldn’t even get your votes counted right last night.


85 posted on 11/07/2012 6:43:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: FredZarguna

LOL. The only trouble is many locals near Buffalo might want to be their own city-state.

Perhaps they could join with Cleveland as bookends in a new state...


86 posted on 11/07/2012 6:44:20 PM PST by mikrofon (+ Prayers for America +)
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To: Travis McGee

Check this out when you have a sec:

Navy SEAL: We Know More About SEAL Team SIX Than We Do About Obama
http://noisyroom.net/blog/2012/11/07/navy-seal-we-know-more-about-seal-team-six-than-we-do-about-obama/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Noisyroomnet+%28NoisyRoom.net%29

The Q is what do we do when we find out the truth?


87 posted on 11/07/2012 6:46:18 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: hopespringseternal

Slouching towards Sarajevo.


88 posted on 11/07/2012 6:48:59 PM PST by Noumenon (“The other side wants everything in America to be free, except us.” -- Paul Ryan)
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To: familyop

>> “The real answer is deep cuts in government spending and abolitions/repeals of regulations, starting at local levels (e.g., county zoning ordinances against small manufacturing shops on lots more than five acres in the middle of nowhere). Then a high-speed rebuilding of the manufacturing base with inventions and innovations mostly coming from the small shops (larger pool of ingenuity without interference from contemporary academic, political or business so-called leadership).” <<

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Short of some kind of war, how might you achieve that?

You will never see any cuts in government again. Government will grow exponentially for the forseeable future.


89 posted on 11/07/2012 6:58:35 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: varyouga

This country is more divided than ever. Although the country is not divided into opposing contiguous regions, as anyone that has seen a county by county election map knows, the divide is between rural and urban with suburbs as a mix between the two. We are basically divided into the producers vs the looters, God fearing vs relativism. All that is needed is a spark, and the spark could well be inflation, dollar devaluation and currency collapse.


90 posted on 11/07/2012 7:00:45 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: rep-always

>> “I will not make this last quarter better for this communist in the WH, on the back of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and his season.” <<

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I hate to have to break it to you, but christmas has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Yom Kippur is “his season.”

Tammuz was born on December 25, not Yeshua. Yeshua was born in september. So your withdrawal is not even in his realm.

The giving of gifts is total commercial blood sucking.


91 posted on 11/07/2012 7:06:47 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Noumenon
Slouching towards Sarajevo.

If we do nothing, that is where this will ultimately wind up. We can't have a political party that engages in the kind of divisive rhetoric the democrats do election after election and blindly assume it will have no effect. Or that we can ever give enough ground to placate the anger it generates on both sides.

If Obama's goal is the destruction of the United States (and that is hardly an illogical supposition) then he would be happy to agree to the division.

92 posted on 11/07/2012 7:07:41 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Noumenon

>> “Slouching towards Sarajevo.” <<

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Better than slouching toward socialist, islamic America.


93 posted on 11/07/2012 7:09:42 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Ajnin

We have the will, weather doesn’t matter, we don’t have the way (equipment) nor do we have the terrain...as a civil war would require front lines and geographic goals.

Civil unrest? Sure. Civil war? It would be short and decisively bad for our side.


94 posted on 11/07/2012 7:09:42 PM PST by Vermont Lt (The dude abides.)
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To: Vermont Lt

>> “Civil war? It would be short and decisively bad for our side.” <<

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I assume that your side is Obama’s side?

Vermont was the first state he claimed last night.


95 posted on 11/07/2012 7:13:00 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

I think this needs to happen if we’re going to live in peace. We should start planning for it. Just secede. What are they going to do about it? Go to war? Ha!


96 posted on 11/07/2012 7:13:12 PM PST by virgil
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To: editor-surveyor

Great! One of my predictions, to a Free Republic blog about forecasting events in BHO’s second term:

9) Texas will float a trial balloon dealing with seccession from the US and will find a significant number of states in agreement with them. This will result in either a new political block that neither DC republicans nor democrats know how to deal with or start in motion the actual seccession of states from the US. Maker states, like farming country et al, tired of supporting taker states like Ca, NY, NJ, Mass, Il. If succession becomes a viable option Eastern Washington, Eastern Ca., SW Illinois and Northern Fla will try to break away from the taker socialist parts of their states.


97 posted on 11/07/2012 7:16:05 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: MinorityRepublican

As far as I’m concerned America died last night . I spit on whatever this country is called now. I’m disgusted and embarrassed to even say I come from a country that would elect a piece of shit like Obama again.
There IS NO AMERICA so I don’t know why anybody is bother to talk about anything on FR anymore.
IT’S OVER GET IT WE LOST and will NEVER have our country back..Not even close.
The worst hasn’t even started yet ...Just wait ....
This will be a 3rd world crap hole in less than 2 years. Immigrant/Welfare/Food Stamt /Minority run shit hole.
Again , I spit on America and the dumb , brainwashed assholes who are the majority of the scum that live here.
As for the rest of us patriots I say scatter ..move or become isolated ..your time is done ..over
I don’t want to hear Levin , or Rush or Hannity. They all look like fools now hard as they tried.
America died last night and when thing die they stay dead


98 posted on 11/07/2012 7:16:29 PM PST by sonic109 (More than %50 of the country is ignorant , stupid and gullible. That's the story)
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To: sonic109

PS There Won’t be any civil war ..We cant get enough people to vote out a Marxist prick in the White House and you guys think there will be a war . Spare me.as soon as something good came on TV half our “army” would go back home to catch the show..that’s how disgusting the vast majority of Americans have become.
I no longer want to be associated with any country the elected Obama TWICE
F ing morons


99 posted on 11/07/2012 7:19:13 PM PST by sonic109 (More than %50 of the country is ignorant , stupid and gullible. That's the story)
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To: editor-surveyor

We had no problems whatsoever counting the votes in our precinct. The polls closed at 8:00 and we were done by 8:30.


100 posted on 11/07/2012 7:21:40 PM PST by FredZarguna (I'm sorry, General Washington. We owed you and the men at Valley Forge so much more than this.)
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