Posted on 11/07/2012 8:40:52 AM PST by TigerClaws
This was within reach. Obama had ten million fewer votes than 2008. Despite huge rallies and intensity, Rs didn't show up.
Was it... 1. Insufficient ground game? Hundreds of millions on tv instead of laser beam ground game on our base?
2. Too moderate. Romney didn't motivate the conservatives.
3. The Mormon thing. Evangelicals stayed home.
4. The gender gap. Romney didn't close it.
Despite the MSM spin, this was a winnable election and we lost the chess match.
Thoughts?
They didn't find him "pure" enough.
These people are like the Perot voters who got us 8 years of Clinton. If all these types had voted we would have had neither Clinton nor Obama.
These purists are pure idiots.
“The GOP wanted nothing to do with the Tea Party or Sarah Palin..”
Still don’t. Never will. Old dying party for old dying gentry.
In OREGON I just heard True the Vote found 2000 “registered voters” whose address was to a Homeless Shelter that did not receive mail.....
FRAUD
The total number of voters is my only issue on this thread - it does not make sense under any circumstances. Any way you think about it, that grand total is now 15 million or more below any reasonable expectation. Where are they?
“But like you said, we are just going to have to wait and see what the data will show when it comes out.”
The results you showed me WERE the El Paso County data/results. Romney handily bested Obama in El Psso County.
Unless there is a GOP majority in El Paso County (registered GOP voters), that is significantly greater than the margin Romney beat Obama by in the county, I don’t see where someone can get the argument that Santorum might have done better there, UNLESS someone were to suggest there were a ton of “pro life” Dim voters who voted for Obama ‘cause Santorum was not the other choice - THAT makes no sense.
I still don’t see where you have a case, and I don’t know what other data you are looking for???
It is foolish and infantile to paint the GOP with such a broad brush. Preibus likes Palin. Allen West likes Palin. Jim DeMint likes Palin. Rush and Levin like Palin. I like Palin. Rand Paul likes Palin. Herman Cain likes Palin. Newt likes Palin. Many many many folks who are Republicans, many who are in the party apparatus and many who are major figures, like Palin. Yes, I fully get the GOPe mindset. I write about it all the time. But that is only a part of the party.
Too broad a brush, and you make a mess.....
“Yes, I fully get the GOPe mindset. I write about it all the time. But that is only a part of the party.”
It is the only part that matters. The rest of you are there for stoop labor.
You add 15 million votes to Romney, you get a 55-45 win for him.
After the massive 2010 beating, and things getting worse... 15 million (at least) people stayed home?!
Yeah... That is interesting!
I know you think you are pithy and you congratulate yourself on your detachment, but what you are saying makes no logical sense whatsoever.
It just makes no sense. The electoral tsunami in 2010, the debate performances, the growing crowds, and then all of the reports about the huge election day turnout, (heck in our area Heavily Republican precinct they were expecting over 75%)...
And wondering this morning why so few are considering the possibility. Did find a strange blog entry from early October. With this opening paragraph - “”I’m telling you children that Mitt Romney’s biggest problem is not Barack Obama, nor even this blog, but Mitt Romney’s problem in having the election stolen from him is Jeb Bush.””
Very troubling times for the Republic.
May God keep watch.
Tatt
Good point!
I think Rush cited that figure from exit polls, though I’m not exactly sure how or if exit polls measure turnout. Your explanation is the only one I’ve heard so far that makes since.
Yes. Hard to imagine there was such a systemic fraud here, but I picked Cuyahoga County this morning to analyze precinct machine by precinct machine and it turned up queer.
I found that in 2008 there were 15,385 (2%) blank ballots cast in the county, but in 2012 there were 95,280 (15%) blank ballots cast. I then looked machine by machine in one town in the county: Euclid. They had 48 voting machines in 2004, 2008 and 2012. It is a Democratic town, usually on the magnitude of 60/40.
* In 2012 Romney received 4,426, Obama 18,603, and there were 3,717 blank ballots submitted.
* In 2008 McCain received 5,508, Obama 19,273, and there were 862 blank votes submitted.
* In 2004 Bush received 5,984, Kerry 15,859; not sure on the blank votes.
This pattern repeats itself elsewhere, but even if Romney was not everyone's favorite, I find it hard to believe he would be that much below McCain given the passion there appeared to be to vote out Obama.
It is the only thing that makes sense to explain the GOP "undervoting" versus 2008. My line to vote and many other reported lines were far longer than in 2008. And yet ....
Obama Won Ohio in 2012 With Fewer Votes Than McCain Received in 2008
White guilt. We cannot not applaud lousy black performer, we cannot not laugh at an unfunny black comic, we must precede Thomas Sowell’s name with a “Dr” while posting on Free Republic, we cannot vote against that nice black man, so we won’t vote at all. We are afraid that someone will call us ‘RASSISS’ on Free Republic!
The 3,717 blank votes is 14% of the voters in Euclid, OH and almost as many votes as Romney got in total; it was 3% in 2008. 95,000 blanks submitted in the county is 15% of total turnout county wide as well. I have reached out to the Republican County chair and the county elections commission, we’ll see if I get an answer.
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