Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
Many of us could not imagine that Romney could lose this election, especially after four years of Obama’s radical Marxism and its social and fiscal consequences that America will NEVER recover from. All the hype and all the Romney rallies; it indeed looked like a sure victory for Romney except for one equation, the Evangelical vote. We here at the IFB have talked back and forth among ourselves since the RNC convention and with others also in the know; that if the Evangelical vote did not show up on Nov. 6th the jig would be up and Romney would lose big… and indeed he has.
Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way.
Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way. The Evangelical vote consists of the TRUE social and moral conservatives of the party (i.e., the Right). Romney and the GOP also gave very little time to the Tea Party who is the heart of the grass root movement and the engine of the Party! The viewer ratings for the 2012 RNC convention were way down, some 40% and many of us- including myself - did not watch one lick of it. Why should we have? We knew what we were getting and many of us felt “diss’d” being left out as we were. That in its self should have set off warning bells to the RNC but in all honesty many of us who are Evangelicals were still going to vote for Romney holding our nose. It is our duty as Believers and an Americans to be salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and even though Romney was who he was; he was the better choice still and the lesser of the two evils for our nation. We were not going to trust in a Romney win but that a Romney win would slow down the final deterioration of our nation.
Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth and many have NOT forgotten it. Evangelicals felt betrayed and many did not vote for McCain in 2008 which gave Marxist Obama the victory. When you add the convention snub of Romney and the GOP that was the straw that broke the elephants back.
Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth.
Now we come to today, the day after the election and we once more again see that the Evangelical vote has stayed home; and in doing so have given Obama another four years to finish the job of transforming our nation and fundamentally changing our culture and way of life which includes the elimination of sound biblical Christianity. I know I am going to get a ton of hate mail for this statement, but SHAME ON YOU for sitting home and not choosing to be light and exercising your God given right to vote (Matt. 5:13-16)! I know all sides of this argument and there is still absolutely NO excuse (Matt. 5:13-16). Your self righteous pride, biblical ignorance and foolishness has open wide the door now for Christian persecution in our nation and the end of the freedoms we have for the furtherance of the Gospel. My friends, indeed the Day of the Lord is at hand, but WOE to any who seek to bring it about who call on the Name of Jesus Christ by being idol and slothful.This is NOT a sanctification matter and God will hold you accountable for hiding your light and voice.
In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us.
In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us. I think of Samuel when all of Israel wanted a king and not the Lord (1 Sam. 8). It broke his heart and rightly so! He knew what was coming. Thus America in this election has said quite loudly that we DO NOT want the God given freedom to exercise what our Founding Fathers envisioned, which was based on the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God. In doing so we have REJECTED the Judeo/ Christian values and ideals which once made this country great. We have now as a nation fully taken on the mantle of Lawlessness and the spirit of Anti Christ as our nation’s ideology and culture.
Indeed, we as Evangelicals will now see what we must surely endure under lawless administration of Barack H. Obama and many Evangelicasl will be sifted and found wanting. That there... you can take to the bank!
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
What about the non self-righteous ones?
You want THEM dead; too?
Since I've seen absolutely NO evidence that anyone has actually done this; I can't comment one way or the other.
But very many HAVE said they'd not vote for a follower of Islam; and based ONLY on their religion.
These bigots seem to get a pass from certain FR posters.
Thanks for proving my point. That lousy thinking is why many Christians, Jews and others who claim conservatism gave themselves the excuse to abdicate their responsibility to use their noodle when they vote.
***Au contrare, Pierre. Christians seemed to have used their noodle and didn’t give in to the folks who sacrificed their principles on the altar of electability and worldiness. Christ said to be in the world, but not of it.
The non 57 million who who allowed Obama’s election have NOTHING anyone wants to hear if they complain during the next four years. They forfeited their right IMO when they enabled the enemy.
***Then trolls like you have no right to complain when they forfeited their right to fight against the GOP-E when the time was right. For instance, the time is right... right now. But you’re focused on pounding conservatives in a conservative forum, NOT EVEN A GOP FORUM. That makes you a troll. You should be voicing this garbage at GOP.com but instead, you’re doing it here at a conservative website.
You PREFER to be a troll on this forum.
The non 57 million who who allowed Obama’s election have NOTHING anyone wants to hear if they complain during the next four years. They forfeited their right IMO when they enabled the enemy.
No. You made the claim Christians are to be poor - prove it
Thanks for proving my point. That lousy thinking is why many Christians, Jews and others who claim conservatism gave themselves the excuse to abdicate their responsibility to use their noodle when they vote.
***Au contrare, Pierre. Christians seemed to have used their noodle and didn’t give in to the folks who sacrificed their principles on the altar of electability and worldiness. Christ said to be in the world, but not of it.
The non 57 million who who allowed Obama’s election have NOTHING anyone wants to hear if they complain during the next four years. They forfeited their right IMO when they enabled the enemy.
***Then trolls like you have no right to complain when they forfeited their right to fight against the GOP-E when the time was right. For instance, the time is right... right now. But you’re focused on pounding conservatives in a conservative forum, NOT EVEN A GOP FORUM. That makes you a troll. You should be voicing this garbage at GOP.com but instead, you’re doing it here at a conservative website.
You PREFER to be a troll on this forum.
The non 57 million who who allowed Obama’s election have NOTHING anyone wants to hear if they complain during the next four years. They forfeited their right IMO when they enabled the enemy.
(Thanx for the clarification)
All of this dogmatic, denominational, my belief or you’re going to hell attitude is exactly the reason why I do not follow any organized Christian denomination. Church denominations are contrivances of man and in every case man imposes their interpretation of what the true word of God is and how we must interpret the Gospels to attain salvation.
But ya need to understand that 99.999% of intercommunication 'tween varied denominational Christians that I've seen has no references to judgment & hell-fire, as if we could predict who would wind up there, anyway.
For instance, I don't know if you will wind up there, and wouldn't try to be predictive of that -- one way or the other.
But note above you called me "fool"...And I note you said you believe in Jesus...Well, do you believe what Jesus said about calling others "fool":
Jesus (not me saying anything predictive about you): But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell. (Jesus, Matthew 5:22)
So, are we as Christians then supposed to encourage people to go merrily along toward any cliff awaiting us? Or are we to pass on warnings from Jesus Himself?
Which is more 'loving' -- to watch people stumble toward cliffs, or to warn?
But the Body of Christ is not.
And we don't expect them all to look alike anymore than we expect kneecaps to look like shoulders, or feet to operate like hands.
...in every case man imposes their interpretation of what the true word of God is and how we must interpret the Gospels to attain salvation.
Let's just say there were 300 larger denominations in America (and a lot more small splinters)...
It seems to me that you are advocating that instead of, oh, say, THOUSANDS of people banding around a representation of the Body of Christ, that everybody just do that on their own...and that we have as many interpretations of the true word of God and how we must interpret the Gospels as there are people...Is that a fair assessment?
Are you recommending single-person denominations, or am I misreading you on that?
And would you be against single-person denominations, thereby making the "splintering" much, much worse than it already is?
And aren't you thereby contributing to this single-person splintering by being an example for others to follow this radical individualism?
What if the eye said to a toe, "We have no need of you?"
Don't we need you integrated into the Body of Christ, and vice versa?
(And so your "answer" to this historical trail of intolerance is to be intolerant toward both the Catholic and Protestant church...and reject them both? How are you somehow "turning the tide" toward tolerance, if you're intolerant toward them both?)
If you chose your neighbor's daughter, somebody might eventually tell you that you chose the wife-from-hell; or, perhaps, somebody else might counter you chose the heaven-sent wife.
So what?
You fish or cut bait.
You don't wait forever, wonderin' which woman might be for you...only to be spouseless as you head to the grave.
That's what commitment is all about.
Be selective. Be discerning. Be choosy. But don't pass on 100% of the women.
Same thing denominationally. The Bible says to "test all things"; "test all spirits"; and to "hold fast to that which is good." Be selective. Be noble (Acts 17:11). Be discerning. Be choosy. But don't bypass 100% of all churches.
“What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation.... God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.”
- Apostle Orson Hyde, n.d., Journal of Discourses, v. 7, p. 53
RINO File.
That is what true spiritual nobility is all about.
Now, why does the Bible say that the Bereans were more "noble" than the Thessalonians?
11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. (Acts 17:11)
You see, the Bereans didn't take Paul only at his word; they searched the "scriptures" -- the Old Testament for them -- to see if it reinforced/matched his teachings. They tested any new revelations by existing ones.
Now why do we know that truth exists as proclaimed by the church universal? Because ...the church of the living God, [is] the pillar and foundation of the truth. (Apostle Paul, 1 Timothy 3:15)
We know God speaks thru the church, even proclaiming truth to the forces of darkness who left heaven: His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Ephesians 3:10-11)
I recall that some passage admonishes us that no man knows the mind of God and I certainly don’t believe that God talks directly to any fallable man, regardless of their piety.
Well, you have cited a passage that does stress that only the Holy Spirit knows the divine Mind...
...But the Bible doesn't stop there, because it then says that same Holy Spirit indwells His body-and-blood church:
...as it is written: “What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived”— the things God has prepared for those who love him— 10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Corinthians 2:9-16)
Well...
John 3:16-18 (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Believe it or don't - your choice.
The evidence seems to indicate that more peopled would rather be praised into Hell; than be rebuked into Heaven.
“What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation.... God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.”
But why do some CONSERVATIVEs on FR go all MEGO on us when SCRIPTURE is posted? Dismissing it with an imperial wave of the hand?
Obama will rule the nation called USA.... God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the FR 'conservatives' rage.
“If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.” Psalm 22:27-28 “All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him, 28 for dominion belongs to the LORD and he rules over the nations.” Daniel 2:20-21 “...“Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever; wisdom and power are his. 21 He changes times and seasons; he sets up kings and deposes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.”
Jeremiah. 18:7-10
God has decreed it...
Please, folks; don’t get mad at me; for I am just the messenger.
I report: you decide.
Read what I said. I did not lambast anyone for not voting for Romney. I had to hold my nose to do so myself. I lambasted them for voting for Obama. Nobody that voted for Obama is a conservative, regardless of what they may think. Unless they, too, are an idiot.
Further, I'm not a Republican at all. I'm an independent conservative with libertarian (little ‘l’) leanings. I vote Republican as the lesser of 2 evils.
Christians make mistakes, too. But what's your excuse, and why are you so hate filled this morning?
I think you may have gotten caught up in the stormsurge of those posting here that are claiming that to NOT vote for ROMENY is the same as voting for Obama.
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