Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
Many of us could not imagine that Romney could lose this election, especially after four years of Obama’s radical Marxism and its social and fiscal consequences that America will NEVER recover from. All the hype and all the Romney rallies; it indeed looked like a sure victory for Romney except for one equation, the Evangelical vote. We here at the IFB have talked back and forth among ourselves since the RNC convention and with others also in the know; that if the Evangelical vote did not show up on Nov. 6th the jig would be up and Romney would lose big… and indeed he has.
Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way.
Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way. The Evangelical vote consists of the TRUE social and moral conservatives of the party (i.e., the Right). Romney and the GOP also gave very little time to the Tea Party who is the heart of the grass root movement and the engine of the Party! The viewer ratings for the 2012 RNC convention were way down, some 40% and many of us- including myself - did not watch one lick of it. Why should we have? We knew what we were getting and many of us felt “diss’d” being left out as we were. That in its self should have set off warning bells to the RNC but in all honesty many of us who are Evangelicals were still going to vote for Romney holding our nose. It is our duty as Believers and an Americans to be salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and even though Romney was who he was; he was the better choice still and the lesser of the two evils for our nation. We were not going to trust in a Romney win but that a Romney win would slow down the final deterioration of our nation.
Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth and many have NOT forgotten it. Evangelicals felt betrayed and many did not vote for McCain in 2008 which gave Marxist Obama the victory. When you add the convention snub of Romney and the GOP that was the straw that broke the elephants back.
Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth.
Now we come to today, the day after the election and we once more again see that the Evangelical vote has stayed home; and in doing so have given Obama another four years to finish the job of transforming our nation and fundamentally changing our culture and way of life which includes the elimination of sound biblical Christianity. I know I am going to get a ton of hate mail for this statement, but SHAME ON YOU for sitting home and not choosing to be light and exercising your God given right to vote (Matt. 5:13-16)! I know all sides of this argument and there is still absolutely NO excuse (Matt. 5:13-16). Your self righteous pride, biblical ignorance and foolishness has open wide the door now for Christian persecution in our nation and the end of the freedoms we have for the furtherance of the Gospel. My friends, indeed the Day of the Lord is at hand, but WOE to any who seek to bring it about who call on the Name of Jesus Christ by being idol and slothful.This is NOT a sanctification matter and God will hold you accountable for hiding your light and voice.
In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us.
In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us. I think of Samuel when all of Israel wanted a king and not the Lord (1 Sam. 8). It broke his heart and rightly so! He knew what was coming. Thus America in this election has said quite loudly that we DO NOT want the God given freedom to exercise what our Founding Fathers envisioned, which was based on the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God. In doing so we have REJECTED the Judeo/ Christian values and ideals which once made this country great. We have now as a nation fully taken on the mantle of Lawlessness and the spirit of Anti Christ as our nation’s ideology and culture.
Indeed, we as Evangelicals will now see what we must surely endure under lawless administration of Barack H. Obama and many Evangelicasl will be sifted and found wanting. That there... you can take to the bank!
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
Sorry; I didn't catch that more than one had been addressed in the To: box.
I thought I was being accused of lying about something.
Yeah, and your denomination and every other claims to know the real word and intent of God. I’m sure that you believe that the KJV contains the real word of God, as written by an English king and his council. Martin Luther claimed to know the real path as well as many of his contemporaries during the Reformation. Just how was the KJV translated? Oh yeah, by men, not God, or did king James and/or his council regularly talk to God when they rewrote it.
Get a grip. What gives any pastor the intimate knowledge of God’s intent? Are they all prophets too?
If Jesus came down from heaven and ran for president I’m sure many so-called Christians would not vote for him because he was a Jew.
OK, the only true religion was founded at the rock when Christ told Peter to build his church upon that rock. If you are not Catholics then you are a member of a cult that was formed by a man (Luther or whomever).
If you want to live in a theocracy where those who lead you believe just as you do and you allow only believers like you to exist then find that country if you can and move there.
I prayed for guidance this morning; God told me that you are all cult followers and I’ll take my conversation with the Lord over your pastor’s.
Well, then, we have another troll.
ANY politically right leaning person who either sat out or voted another party and allowed a communist Obama in deserves our total hatred and disgust IMO.
***Your opinion is a piece of CINO turd work. This is not a GOP website, it is a conservative website. Berating conservatives for not voting for a GOP statist is not being conservative. It is trolling. It would be suitable to do something like that on GOP.com, where it would not be trolling. But this is NOT GOP.com, and trashing other conservatives is trolling.
Anyone voting third party or who could but didn’t vote F’d the country over that night as I see it.
***Save your ire for the GOP-e who went out of their way to give us this POS statist candidate. They are the ones who screwed over this country, and focusing on them is the right thing to do. Focusing on other conservatives is the wrong thing to do. It is trolling. Stop being a troll.
Of course just like Jesus and John the Baptist and the apostles did.
(RJS 3:16)
Kinda like Joe Smith's vision that ALL Christian sect members -- as in 100% -- were "corrupt"...and that 100% of Christian creeds were "an abomination"
Good we have such "visionaries" as Joe Smith and RJS
Right it's the GOP that is more evil than Obama. You are a freaking genius.
Focusing on other conservatives is the wrong thing to do.
When some conservatives show the brains of a rock, why not let them be accountable for their failures to this country? There is a time and place for being full of ones self; a Presidential election is rarely a good time to be cute and stupid with the use of a vote IMO.
So called conservatives that helped enable Democrats with stupid choices need to kind of grow up IMO.
This election may have really F'd up my child's future and if some stupid pure so-called conservative helped elect Obama, then I am going to rag on them. I am mad at those that didn't show who knew the election was on and choose to not elect a Mormon or non-perfect GOP over Obama. F them, I'm mad as hell at them as well as the takers that voted for Obama and I think I have every right to be.
What good is brains or a self called conservative if they have the discernment of a mental midget?
You aren’t Jesus or John the Baptist
Right it’s the GOP that is more evil than Obama. You are a freaking genius.
***First of all, that’s not what I said, so drop it with the straw argumentation. Second, the GOP stabs us in the back when we’re fightin’ the hordes. Obama is in front of us as the enemy. I’d rather fight an enemy in front of me than get stabbed in the back in betrayal.
When some conservatives show the brains of a rock, why not let them be accountable for their failures to this country?***Well, okay. YOU are showing the brains of a rock. YOU are acting like a troll, berating conservatives on a conservative website.
There is a time and place for being full of ones self; a Presidential election is rarely a good time to be cute and stupid with the use of a vote IMO.
***The presidential election is over.
So called conservatives that helped enable Democrats with stupid choices need to kind of grow up IMO.
***Even on this thread, it’s been shown that 78% of evangelicals voted for MR. So your berating evangelicals is a sign that you simply don’t like evangelicals, even though this is an evangelical website. Such behavior is properly identified as trolling. Quit being a troll. The presidential election is over, and it is your turn to grow up.
This election may have really F’d up my child’s future and if some stupid pure so-called conservative helped elect Obama,
***Dude, right there, you need to stop. It’s trolling. Conservatives who might not have turned out to vote were disenfranchised by the GOP-E, and your anger needs to be focused there. Focusing on conservatives, on a conservative (NOT A GOP) website, is trolling. If someone voted for Goode, it was a vote AGAINST Obama, so quit the trolling bowlsheet and do the right thing.
then I am going to rag on them. I am mad at those that didn’t show who knew the election was on and choose to not elect a Mormon or non-perfect GOP over Obama.
***Then go to GOP.com. This is not a GOP website. The GOP does not own the vote of freepers, especially if they don’t listen to conservatives. By sticking around here, you’re being a troll.
F them, I’m mad as hell at them as well as the takers that voted for Obama and I think I have every right to be.
***All of us are mad at the takers, but your vehement recriminations against conservatives is simply trolling behavior.
What good is brains or a self called conservative if they have the discernment of a mental midget?
***Then use your brains. This is a conservative website. Check. It is NOT a GOP website. Check. We are not beholden to ANY Political Party. Check. Berating conservatives on a conservative website is trolling. Check. How much damage have you done to conservatism by your trolling? Obama thanks you for the damage you’ve done. Check. The anger is properly focused on the midget brains that gave us this POS of a candidate. Check. You gonna use your brain, or are you gonna continue to troll?
Thanks for proving my point. That lousy thinking is why many Christians, Jews and others who claim conservatism gave themselves the excuse to abdicate their responsibility to use their noodle when they vote. The non 57 million who who allowed Obama's election have NOTHING anyone wants to hear if they complain during the next four years. They forfeited their right IMO when they enabled the enemy.
It was satirical, fool.
All of this dogmatic, denominational, my belief or you’re going to hell attitude is exactly the reason why I do not follow any organized Christian denomination. Church denominations are contrivances of man and in every case man imposes their interpretation of what the true word of God is and how we must interpret the Gospels to attain salvation. The extremes and the intolerance of men have brought about the inquisition of both the Catholic church and the Protestant inquisitions, witch burnings where men determined who was a witch regardless of any previous piety and without any real proof. It has given us the flagellants, the persecution of Jews who poisoned the wells to cause the plague, the Millerites who went up to the mountain, several times, to await the second coming and countless other examples of man’s interpretation of God’s word or the meaning of the Gospels.
Do I believe in God, absolutely.
Do I believe in Christ, absolutely.
Do I believe in the lessons of the Gospels, Yes.
Do I believe that the old testament is the literal word of god and the only truth, absolutely NOT. It was passed on by word of mouth by man, written and rewritten by man, interpreted by many men and that goes on into the present.
Which of the denominations do I take as being the “true” meaning of God’s word? Yours, my neighbor’s? If I choose my neighbor’s then you might tell me that I am going to hell. If I choose yours then my neighbor might tell me I am going to hell.
I have had that happen, any number of times. Who are you to tell me, or anyone that your set of beliefs about God, Christ, the gospels, is the only true way to believe. I recall that some passage admonishes us that no man knows the mind of God and I certainly don’t believe that God talks directly to any fallable man, regardless of their piety.
Are you free to believe and worship as you please? Why, yes you are and you have that privilege in this country because of the freedoms given to us in the Constitution; for now. Those freedoms can be taken away from us by dictators and some of us because of our religious prejudices against other denominations failed to take any actions to vote for someone who would not be removing our freedoms. That is absurd, shows no regard for defending the Constitution and is sinful in that you as a man have decided to judge another’s religious beliefs and actions or proclaiming that they are not “true” Christians. It is not your place to make that judgement; that belongs to God alone.
By the way, it was the democrat dirt machine that early on started hammering away at the Romney-Mormon-cult theme. Interesting to see that so many Constitution loving conservatives fell into that trap. Then again, you and your denominations were already in that mindset, now weren’t you.
Rant away until judgement day if you like and ponder how God will judge your self-righteous beliefs and actions on that day.
Further discussion is like arguing with my dog about his peeing on the carpet. The dog’s mind is set and all the dog hears is blah blah blah spot blah blah. I’ve already wasted enough time and it won’t change the fact that some will potentially throw away their religious and other freedoms on the basis of their religious denominational prejudices. Good luck with that.
So show me the biblical principle of trying to get rich, and then using it to help people.
Well good luck to everyone on this thread. I only direct my displeasure to people in this election who abdicated going to the polls thereby giving us Obama.
I don’t claim they were all Christians, or Jews, or Martians; but somehow we had MILLIONS not vote giving Obama an enemy of this country the reigns, probably two Supreme Court picks and lots of Social Justice...
Those that were self righteous and ended up voting for a third party or stayed home IMO deserve a long walk on a short pier.
Those that fail to protect this country with the good use of their vote deserve nothing good from this country IMO, unfortunately they dragged us all down as well.
I don’t who all the groups were that abdicated their vote, but they can all drop (you-know-what). Good luck and God especially those 57 million or so.
And what is that?
They can't even be 'true' to their own SCRIPTURE!!
Let me put it this way: Mormons are generally a very conservative and industrious people. I live among them and have many friends that are Mormon.
While I vehemently oppose Mormonism, I would have a hard time abstaining from voting for a conservative Mormon, strictly on the basis of his religion.
I am as outspoken against the Roman church hereon as you are against the Mormons - I get it. But it did not stop me from voting for Alan Keyes (twice)... And I consider the paganism of Rome to be far more deleterious to true religion toward YHWH.
I would also vote for a conservative Jew, even though we too would have some pretty big disagreements - but all of the above comport themselves well within the Judeo-Christian ethic... regardless of the differences.
That is not to say that all of the above are TRUE to Christian principle, and I would much prefer an Evangelical if possible.
And btw, I understand what D&C is... I am well versed in Mormonism... Which is precisely why I reject it whole cloth.
(He said as self righteously as he could muster)
Let's talk about "third party" for a moment...
Those who voted "third party" in Romney-won states, took no electoral votes away from him...
Those who voted "third party" in Obama-won states (not including Florida), even if you had the power to transfer ALL of those votes to Romney, Romney still would not have had enough votes to win any of those states.
That leaves Florida...Gary Johnson is the third party guy in FL that took votes from Romney...Romney is still in the FL race...but behind...IMO, most of the people who voted for Johnson didn't claim much of a conservative allegiance...Johnson is for homosexual civil unions, for example...
But even if all Johnson votes could be given to Romney, guess what? STILL not enough electoral votes for Romney countrywide for Romney to win POTUS.
He still loses.
So...third party votes had NO effect on the ultimate outcome of this race...
Your provocation is misplaced...
Instead of aiming it at the RINOs who gave us Romney, you blame the conservatives who are the very base of the party.
Well, no wonder more & more people are leaving the GoP; they don't see the GoP as an answer to the problem...just the problem lite.
So you’re the deciding vote between Diocletian and Romney to rule your country. Who do you choose?
Rule: Voting for someone else, not voting or voting for neither gives you Diocletian by default.
Hint: this is a test of discernment.
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Your ‘rule’ is a logical fallacy. As I have explained MANY times, we don’t have a popular democracy, but an representative republic with an electoral college.
Secondly your proposal is also a logical fallacy as both are Diocletian.
It would be voting for Diocletian or Diocletian. FAIL.
Your self assurance is stunning.
Your accurate perceptions even more so.
You keep alluding to these, but never come right out and say what you are thinking.
I cannot comment rationally on some vague claims.
Give us a concrete example; would you please?
To whom much is given; much is required.
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