Posted on 10/26/2012 6:30:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
BOMBSHELL: US troops in Benghazi would not have been painting targets on the ground unless there was air support overhead. But someone called it off And the decision most likely came from the White House.
FOX News reported earlier today that security officers on the ground in Benghazi had a laser planted on a target that was firing on the annex.
The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
So there were two drones in the air recording the attack on the ground. And now we know the CIA team at the annex was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. The White House was able to watch the attack live back in Washington DC. Yet, yesterday Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said this,
The U.S. military did not get involved during the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya, last month because officials did not have enough information about what was going on before the attack was over.
How much more information did they need?
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Then theres this bombshell at BlackFive from a former Delta operator:
Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.
One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not paint a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.
Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.
If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
If that SEAL was actively painting a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!
This is HUGE. It should be obvious by now that someone is not telling the truth. As Blackfive says,
This is bigger than Watergate! The worst has to be the team on the ground knowing that the President just left you to die.
A caller today discussed this with Rush Limbaugh.
(VIDEO AT LINK)
Here is part of that conversation.
CALLER: Well, theres three networks, Rush. The e-mails that have been released are unclassified e-mails. On the top secret side, a flash traffic message from the embassy Tripoli to the White House Situation Room, its like an IM. I mean, its immediately responded to. You have to acknowledge receipt of it. Okay? So its immediate. It gets to the person, the watch officer sitting there, boom, flashes on his screen, he has to acknowledge receipt. And then theres a protocol for who he then sends it to. He physically turns to someone, the senior guy on watch, This is a critical element of information. POTUS needs to hear this, and thats what would have happened.
So no one in the White House can deny that well, they can deny it, but the fact is the protocol says someone marched their happy little ass up to the senior guy standing next to POTUS and said, Sir, ambassador in Libya is in peril. And if he was missing, that is even a higher precedence. And then the chain would have also gone out automatically to the geographic combatant commander, AFRICOM, and he would have then turned to his special operations commander and said, I want the In-Extremis Force, you know, strip ready in five minutes. And evidently they were strip ready in Sigonella and they would have the assets to penetrate the airspace, you know, an MC-130 papa, which is a C-130 specially equipped with electronic countermeasures. They didnt need permission to enter Libyan airspace, okay?
Im giving you a lot of Inside Baseball stuff, and maybe putting myself in a little peril by doing it, but the In-Extremis Force, they would have been chomping at the bit to do this. It was turned down, POTUS, at his five p.m. Eastern time meeting with the principals, thats when he put the kibosh on everything. It was a conscious act. It has to be because, you know, the In-Extremis Force is required to be prepared to do In-Extremis non-combatant evacuation operations for its geographic responsibility, the entire continent of Africa. So theres always somebody ready to go, and the aircraft are always prepared to go.
Read the rest here. Hat Tip Truth and Common Sense
Thanks, I had missed that story. If a General was relieved of duty like was purported in the story I posted, could it be kept quiet long enough to wait until the first of the year to officially replace him? Could they be threatening Ham in some way to keep quiet or make him the “fall guy”? Just trying to get more of an understanding on how these things work, or could work if the military/administration wanted to keep this quiet as well.
this means they are murders
“What was the trade...... 5 American lives traded for something we do not know. What was it?”
You are correct. To a point. It was likely not a trade per se, but a Gift.
In the muslim culture, which O grew up in, it is common to give Gifts as a signal/sign of one’s loyalties and intensions, much as a lover might give his intended a bouquet of flowers.
Having succeeded in giving the mullahs of Iran a Gift of the latest drone tech, O needed to give the Muslim Brotherhood a similar Gift, since his Gift to the MB of Egypt. Tunisia, Malawi, and Mauritania was disputable. Since the MB is low tech, something appropriate, sincere and indisputable needed to be found.
As you may or may not know, AQ is an offshoot of the Egyptian Salafis MB - or a military arm, if you will. So in a way, the Gift had to be given in a manner and as something AQ would recognize as O’s true intensions toward them.
Leading up to this likely pre-planned operation, O had skipped his daily intel briefings for weeks, and told the intel operators to stand down in the muslim world lest they stir up the pot and anger the locals - which is why the whole thing came about as a ‘surprise’.
O didn’t need to know what the exact Gift would be, only that he make situations which they could choose between - there was a similar, but unsuccessful attack on the US Embassy in Tunisia. In that regard, S was specifically sent without the usual security into a situation which made him a large and juicy target of opportunity.
S was, from the sound of it, a good man, full of ideals, and good intensions - but naive. Other men, of a different temperament, might have declined.
HC was likely told something was going down and to do nothing, She would have been surprised, but held her tongue, since the info could be used later in her run against O for President in 2016. Thus, she took the blame - for now.
Meanwhile, General Ham stood up and threw away his career, rather than serve at O’s pleasure - much like the mass resignations of mil brass under President BC. Ham, like the others before him, knew what was going down and refused to serve.
When the black AQ flag was hoisted over the US Embassy in Egypt and over the US compound in Libya, it was a signal to O that his Gifts were acceptable and in accordance with the will of allah. That the black flag was raised is a point of great importance much overlooked by many. Symbols and signs play a huge role in muslim culture - 9/11 isn’t just the day the US was attacked, but commemorates September 11, 1683, when “Muslims were turned away at the gates of Vienna at the Battle of Vienna. This loss resulted in the demise of Islam in the West, which Muslims have never forgotten or forgiven”
As for trade to your point, it may be thought of as O signaling that he is willing to trade as many American lives, as many US troops, as many Israeli lives needed to mollify the muslim world. Everyone who is paying attention knows that when Iran has enough working nukes, they intend to use them. They may only have five or so now, and that may not be enough or the right moment has not yet come round.
THE SECOND COMING
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? — William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)
Expect the worst, but rejoice if Something intervenes and O and his cronies are deposed.
So going forward how do we:
A. Stop another Jimmy Carter/Barak Obama/Bilary Clinton from being elected.
B. Prosecute those who actively aided and abetted the enemy or lied to the American people.
Keep in mind that this isn’t just a “Watergate”, it is a series of them repeating over and over again with death and treachery as the result.
Time to drag 0bama out of the WH?
“Whoever gave the order to not engage made a choice and decided that the lives of four Americans were not worth as much as something else.
I wonder what it was.”
I was having a conversation about just this last night. What was going on? What was moved through the Port of Benghazi that day/night? Why was Stevens meeting with the Turkish ambassador? Why did Stevens go to Benghazi in the first place? Did Clinton order him there?
Who stood to benefit from offing Stevens? When did Delta Force move to Sig? What is/was Stevens background that he might connect some dots that made him a direct target?
Most importantly, what is THE most valuable military (or other) asset of the US?
Why are there no ‘homemade’ videos and bodies of dead terrorists lying about in the photos we’ve seen? Why was Benghazi not secured immediately thereafter?
What ELSE happened in the world that day that may be getting short shrift now due to Benghazi?
My spidey-sense is that this whole situation was planned by the terrorists on the ground, but the administration saw an opportunity to spin it into an invitation for government censorship. Otherwise, why would the “movie” line be pushed so hard so fast by the administration?
I was once told by an Admiral, a quote from Patton, “when in command, COMMAND.”
Instead of commanding, they were probably focused on how they could spin it for their own agenda. Thus, the mess on the ground that occurred because they were not actually concerned with taking command of the situation, but spinning it to their agenda.
According to Fox (I can’t remember who it was that made the statement but it was IIRC on Brett Baier’s Special Report), there were two predator drones over Benghazi at the time and only one was unarmed.
SHAME ON THEM!
Did they request a meeting with Obama?
Did they request clarification from Congress and the courts?
Did they hold a very public press conference and threaten to resign if this matter was not fully, completely, and immediately resolved with the very best evidence?
Well....We know the consequences, now, after four years: dead soldiers, blown apart limbs, and complete failure to defend an embassy.
Is this how our highest military defend their oath before God to defend the Constitution and watch the backs of the brave and capable men and women serving our nation?
Do what you want. You can lick their boots if you want, but I have made a decision. If in the unlikely event that I am in the presence of these very highest military officers I will TURN MY BACK. I will SHUN them!
This is not the fault of our Military.
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Also...You are DELIBERATELY distorting my argument. My criticism is directed to the extremely small number of our nation’s VERY **HIGHEST***officers!
BIG DIFFERENCE!
Shame on you, too, for your deliberate distortion.
I have the highest regard and respect for the brave, noble, and highly trained men and women serving our nation. They deserve better that to be forced to serve under a usurper with the complicit aid of their **most* *highly* ranked officers. And...In post after post over many years, I have clearly and plainly stated that.
After seeing these reports now for some time on Libya, and in light of other current events (the new executive order), I cannot help but think he wants people to freak right out, and attempt to remove him from office. I think they want to impose martial law and use their government agencies against the people to impose their will. They’re trying to push people over the edge, nothing else makes sense.
Am still disappointed, wintertime. We have had a similar discussion before. I will stand on ... This is not the fault of our Military. Will never turn my back on any of our Military, for it would not be right to do so. You may do as you wish, for our Military gave you that right, to do as you wish.
So, they really do have plans for all that handgun ammo the various agencies ordered and demanded it be shipped before Sept.
Ping for later assignment of blame!
Exactly. There had to be something behind all this that sacrificing Americans was somehow worth the risk to not get caught for what ever it is they are covering up. I don’t know which is worse, allowing Americans to die to cover something more sinister or allowing Americans to die because of stupid incompetence. I’m wondering though, if lord asshat couldn’t make a descision wouldn’t Panetta or Petraeus just step in? Makes me lean toward the more sinister theory.
Thanks for that information. I’m guilty as charged but won’t make that mistake again now that I understand.
What I don’t understand is what they thought they had to lose - either by taking out the fire being lobbed at the CIA annex, or by doing something to disperse the crowd there, in the middle of the night. It’s not like there was going to be a protest in the middle of the night, where people not part of the original attack would join in. If bystander Libyans were going to pile on they would have done it by the time the CIA annex was attacked and defended by the SEALs. And if military intervention took out the fire being received at the CIA annex they could have evacuated the 30 people who were there and then there wouldn’t be any more American assets for these terrorists to threaten.
What am I missing here?
We’ll be doing good if any American soldier is able to vote for ANYBODY; they’re not getting their ballots like they’re supposed to.
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