Posted on 09/27/2012 8:37:57 AM PDT by reaganaut1
The NAACP has filed a bombshell complaint with the U.S. Department of Education, alleging discriminatory admission practices at the city’s elite high schools.
In a blistering document delivered to the feds Thursday morning, the NAACP accused the city of barring black and Latino students from eight of its “best public schools,” including Stuyvesant High School in Manhattan, where only 1% of students are black. “Black and Latino students don’t see opportunity at places like Stuyvesant because of the admissions process,” said NAACP attorney Rachel Kleinman. “It’s not fair and it’s bad policy.”
The city’s Specialized High Schools Admissions Test is the only method that is used to judge students for admission to the eight elite high schools.
The NAACP believes the grueling exam is unfair to black and Latino students because they are denied admission “at rates far higher than other racial groups.” Nearly 31% of white students and 35% of Asian students who take the test are offered seats at the top schools, compared with just 5% of black students and 6.7% of Latinos.
The NAACP doesn’t specify how the test discriminates against blacks and Latinos, but Kleinman said those students may lack tutoring and other resources. Education officials hit back against the NAACP’s complaint, arguing the test is color-blind.
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I went to one of the NYC special high schools, and it’s true that in general a lot of the students were actually from very well-off families that could have afforded to send them to private schools, and that therefore these students had the advantage of private coaching, etc. for the exams and throughout their pre-high school educational careers. But that’s just how it is.
There are certainly many in the black upper middle class now in NYC who can do the same, but I suspect that a lot of them send their children to private school as a status thing, and therefore this reduces the number of available black students. Many of the brighter Hispanic students probably attend one of the good Catholic high schools (based on my casual observation).
So that leaves a pool of less well prepared minority students (thanks to a combination of some lousy NYC public schools and parents who don’t care). However, that said, I think there are also teachers in some of NYC’s junior high schools that have large minority populations who never encourage the kids to aim for one of these schools or even to take a chance and apply. NYC schools are full of burned-out union hacks who do nothing to inspire or encourage the kids.
If they were serious about this disparity, they should look at preparation or lack thereof in the lower grades; they should also look at encouragement and information given by the teachers regarding the special high schools. Unfortunately, I think what they really want to do is lower the standards for the schools. That’s what they did to City College, once a school considered comparable to the Ivies academically and after a few years of “open enrollment,” a joke that nobody even wanted to claim as their alma mater.
That's why the push to integrate schools -- artificially if necessary. Ya gotta hide that little stat in the averages. And, no matter how much I despise unions, you can't blame the teachers for a 10% graduation rate.
Well, yeah, they don’t allow stupid people in.........
I agree with the NAACP. If they want to have student enrollment in proportion to the racial makeup of the city it is not fair to expect black kids to pass a test.
The answer is quite simple, They cannot pass those tests in the proportions desired.
They cannot pass the Fire department tests, they cannot pass the police Departments tests. The Government has forced these agencies to hire under a quota system and it is only right to establish a quota system for blacks going to high School.’
It is a good thing that tests are not required for teachers or there would be few black teachers.They simply show their sheepskin and they are hired. Once in they are in for good.
The only answer to the problem of getting more black kids into this elite High School is to establish a quota system and allow those black students who could not pass the test to slow down the others. That’s the only fair way, it works for affirmative action jobs and it should work for affirmative action education.
I am surprised that schools have been able to admit by just testing. My question would be, how have they been able to get away with this? In New York City, no less. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Dick Morris, Eric Holder, David Axelrod, Jerry Nadler, Thelonius Monk, and my son are also Stuyvesant alums.
I think they dont want to say the students did anything wrong it must be a test.
Responsibility is what is lacking in school. If you break the rules you get punished. If you get a bad grade you should get a bad grade.This is teachers and students and parents.
I say we open all information of schools as public record. Attendance, discipline actions, tests, SAT, and quizes. Why not have a facebook page for each teacher? Each student?
Life is hard and no one will help you if you dont help yourself.
Seems to me the only people getting discriminated against anywhere is the middle aged white Christian male.
There has been a study done of black male students in Prince George’s Co (bastion of the black “bourgoisie”) which showed that these black males from upper middle class two-parent families (often both parents holding higer degrees) still have lower SAT scores, higher drop-out rates, and higher crime rates than white male students from lower SES families. So the so-called “white privilege” (the alleged extra tutors, etc) is not the factor making a difference in scores or drop-out rates. But we can’t discuss other possibilities, we have to just continue to lower standards and throw money down the black hole. Kansas City SD blew literally billions of court-ordered dollars to achieve exactly nothing except, in the end, the closing of schools, and no narrowing of the “achievement gap”. Well, quite a few “administrators” got their shot at the trough, so there’s that.
That’s not going to happen. Obozo and the race industry have decided that the disparity in school discipline between whites and blacks is unfair, so he has enacted regulations that disciplinary actions must be equal. So if a black student is disciplined for fighting in school, some white kid chewing bubble gum in class must be found and “disciplined” in the same measure.
As Elmer Fudd says Waisim, Waisim, Waisim.
I’d bet there’s a large percentage of students with liberal elite parents. They always expect the “diversity” measures they push to affect everyone but them. But now that we live in actual BRA, that’s coming back to bite them in the azz. Just like the NAACP protest regarding these schools, just like the gated communities protesting Section 8 vouchers being used in their communities. I don’t know what kind of stupidity made them believe that they’d remain immune from it-presumably they thought they’d get a “pass” because they were in the front lines of forcing it down everyone else’s throat. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out when they realise that they’re still considered the enemy too simply by virtue of being white, in actual BRA.
Sounds like some city needs a big dose of forced busing.
I actually think you’d find that the source of the problem with black male students is a cultural thing (since black females often seem to do as well as any other group).
They simply don’t value learning or take it seriously and will not make the effort because somehow they believe that everything must be made easy for them. Also they, much more than the girls, seem to believe that being black will suffice to open doors for them even if they are in no way qualified to get into those places.
I worked at a law firm where we interviewed candidates from the top law schools, and the black males were terrible: low grades coupled with a phenomenal sense of entitlement and a lack of any will to work. We had to hire a certain number of them, and they could virtually never pass the Bar exam even after several tries and special coaching. And on the job, they spent their time making passes at the female staffers, talking on the phone, and refusing to do work that they considered too menial for them (all associate’s work is menial!).
The black women, however, were an entirely different matter. They were prepared, hard-working, pleasant, and didn’t have a massive chip on their shoulders. So I don’t think the problem is blackness in itself.
I don’t know how one could analyze it, but I really think the development of the entitlement mentality among blacks (thanks to affirmative action and other programs) has had a disastrous effect on the mental attitude that anyone needs in order to study, work and achieve.
Men, in lower income black society, are never expected to be very responsible but at the same time are regarded as very special; some of these poor deluded baby-mommas consider themselves really fortunate to have a male around whose willing to bless them with his company in exchange for their welfare checks. And now we have a whole society that tells black males of any class that they really don’t have to work or do anything to get what they want, but that simply by breathing they’re “special” and deserve nothing but the best.
BTW, in many African tribal cultures, men also frequently do nothing except impregnate the women and occasionally hunt or fight with members of another tribe. It is the women who farm, run the markets, make the clothing, handle the money, etc. I one time heard women described as “the mule of Africa,” meaning that women were the ones who did all the hard work. So maybe this is an embedded cultural thing that has taken a new form.
Yup...investigate and correct the cause of their failure instead of forcing the schools to 'dumb down' the tests so that the low IQ idiots can pass.
The exam doesn’t see color, it sees the results of the test and if they were that great there would be 20% of them in there instead of the 1% they complain about.
This is another attempt to diplace hard working qualified kids in the name of racism.
you bet. it has to be unfair because the exam actually tests knowledge of useful things such as mathematics and ENglish and history. If only the exam asked about their Swahili names and Kwanzaa and how to sneak across a border so many more blacks and latinos (whatever the hell that is) would be admitted.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
A school for smart kids so they won’t get dragged down to the lowest common denominator is a good idea.
As long as the teachers are smart too.
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