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I say Akin was right; and AIN'T I A WOMAN?**
the conservative circular firing squad | August 22, 2012 | me

Posted on 08/22/2012 3:20:19 PM PDT by shhrubbery!

First, I'm a woman. (Seems to be an important qualification if one is to be allowed to have an opinion on "womens' bodies.")

I'm used to being attacked by the harridans of the Left, who claim that if you're a pro-life, then you're NOT A WOMAN.

But I'm not used to hearing conservatives knee-jerk to the idea that something is "idiotic" just because it's politically incorrect ... according to those same rabid harridans of the Left.

I think, like Akin did, that a woman's endocrine system CAN sometimes "shut down" the process of conception, or implantation, as a result of traumatic stress suffered by the woman.

It so happens there are respected physicians who believe this is possible too: Dr. John C. WIlkie, MD, OB/GYN. And there is some research that tends to back this up (see references at bottom of this page.

We may never have a 100% dispositive study that proves that pregnancy as a result of rape is rare. Real numbers are hard to come by. And sadly, any researcher who attempts an objective study is going to be excoriated like Mark Regnerus (who studied homosexual parenting) or Jay Belsky (who studied the effects of putting children in day care).

But many women know, intuitively, that what Akin said is not "imbecilic." Many women have experience with their endocrine systems going awry, due to stress. I myself have carried four pregnancies to term, but lost one, probably due to stress that caused an endocrine malfunction.

** "Ain't I a woman" is a quote from Sojourner Truth, a strong Christian black woman. She wasn't going to stand for her opinion being shut down because she was (a) a woman and (b) voicing ideas that weren't popular in some circles. And neither am I.


TOPICS: US: Missouri; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abortion; akin; conservatism; jcwillke; jcwillkejohncwillke; johncwillke; johnwillke; legitimaterape; nrlc; prolife; rape; rapegate; righttolife; romney; toddakin; trauma; vanity; willke
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To: Swirl
"Having looked at the replies, I find it quite bothersome that many on this site sound like democrats, and appear intolerant of Akins views on abortion. I have no issue with those who want to argue that perhaps Akins does not understand modern politics, or is prone to mistakes. For this reason, I might even be convinced to your suggestion that there may be a much better candidate. However, many of you appear to be attacking him on his abortion stance. This drives a lot of us towards supporting Akins"

Well said. Its easy to join in the mob attack. Especially since this guy seems politically tone deaf. Its clear where this is heading. This is no longer about the word "legitimate". This is about making its ok to kill a baby. I just have one question for those who think that it is ok ....where do you draw the line? The Duggard (spelling) girl has two kids from her rapist. If she starts to have emotional issues when looking at the product of her rape...should she be able to kill her kids as well? Just curious when some here think its ok to kill a baby conceived by rape. 3 months into pregnancy? 6? 9? Partially out? First year?

261 posted on 08/22/2012 5:41:24 PM PDT by icwhatudo (This is not a choice between Romney&Reagan-Its between Romney & most radical leftist Pres in history)
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To: JediJones

I’m not going anywhere chum. I’m complete agreement with Ronald Reagan. How about you take your radicalized views over to whatever radical party will have you? And go ahead, let the door hit you in the ass, just for good measure.


262 posted on 08/22/2012 5:41:41 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: penelopesire; Lorianne; DallasSun
B T T T ! ! ! ©

263 posted on 08/22/2012 5:43:01 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Lorianne
... but that’s what he did imply.

You'd have to be a mind reader to know that and it didn't sound like that to me in the first place.

264 posted on 08/22/2012 5:43:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Pearls Before Swine

You need a lesson in what Free Republic stands for; among other things this is a PRO LIFE site and we believe that life begins at conception, not some arbitrarily picked date that some stealth liberal, such as yourself, wants to impose on people.


265 posted on 08/22/2012 5:43:07 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Pearls Before Swine

“But, when abortion is deemed necessary, especially when there’s been rape (or incest) it should be early.”

Are there other times you find it necessary to Kill Babies?


266 posted on 08/22/2012 5:43:09 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: shhrubbery!

It is what it is. It may be wrong, as you and others maintain, you can fight it, but you won’t win! Fighting the Third Rail!


267 posted on 08/22/2012 5:43:32 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: PhxTM06
If you make a claim, the onus is on you to back it up, put together studies, produce accurate data...etc.

Goes both ways. I would ask you to back up your claims too. Let's see some links to objective studies proving your many unbacked claims.

In my initial post I did post a link to references to studies. These are not easy to look up on the internet however, probably for the reasons I've posted earlier.

'Cause you know, if some organization were to post some un-pc studies on their website, they might find themselves the next morning facing some guy with a .45 and a bag of Chick-fil-a sandwiches in his hands.

If I had the luxury of time, believe me, I would be fighting the good fight full-time, and digging, posting, linking full-time. I don't. I actually have a job and hold responsibilities to others, and am seriously behind on my work.

So with that I'll have to bid you adieu ... for tonight.

268 posted on 08/22/2012 5:44:49 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: shhrubbery!

Unfortunately lots of “conservatives” turned on Sarah after that incident. I hear it all the time, even now. It’s quite discouraging to listen to people that claim to be conservatives attack her like they do.


269 posted on 08/22/2012 5:44:53 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: icwhatudo

Easy question to answer. 1st trimester. Rape or incest. Don’t like it? Tough.


270 posted on 08/22/2012 5:45:05 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: shhrubbery!

I think at the point where politicians are clumsily discussing stress responses of the female endocrine system, we have lost the focus on things that should matter to politicians and to us.


271 posted on 08/22/2012 5:45:57 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: PhxTM06
That was one of the most terrible parts, he basically engaged at friendly fire at any woman who claimed to have been raped and carried the pregnancy to full term.

There's all sorts of amazing pro-life women that amidst unspeakable tragedy, found the strength to carry on, to value their child's life and this idiot basically spat on them by essentially calling them liars since they "couldn't" have actually gotten pregnant through rape.

Oh, shut up. You're making BS up out of whole cloth now. He said NOTHING of the kind and what you're saying isn't even in the SPIRIT of what he said. He specifically said that a baby who results from a rape should NOT be punished with death. What part of his conclusion don't you understand? He was IMPLYING actual praise for the women that you describe. He said women under that circumstance were rare, but NOT that they don't exist. And rare in a country of 300 million could mean millions of people.

272 posted on 08/22/2012 5:46:08 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: spacejunkie2001
Thanks. I stuck with Sarah through thick-and-thin, until now.

I still admire her and would still vote for her.

273 posted on 08/22/2012 5:47:07 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: JediJones
In a "legitimate" rape. You can't have it both ways, he basically went out and called women who got pregnant as the result of rape, "whores" or total liars.

I'm getting tired of a small minority of apologists denying what is obvious to the rest of the entire world. The guy's a loon, and a nut, he's poorly educated on matters of science and should learn to stay in his lane, but hopefully he'll just drop-out and be replaced with non-idiot candidate.
274 posted on 08/22/2012 5:47:14 PM PDT by PhxTM06 (")
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To: not2worry

So you’re voting for McCaskill. Nice.


275 posted on 08/22/2012 5:47:14 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: shhrubbery!
Akin could have stopped all this had he said simply "I don't believe the baby should suffer a worse punishment than the rapist"

He can still say that. And he should say that.

And he did say that in the original interview. People don't speak in short little monotone, factual statements. They engage in discussions and offer rationale for their positions. The mistakes in verbiage he made were minor and are being blown way out of proportion. We can all agree he phrased things stupidly. But calling for him to drop out of the race because of it and denying him his expected funding is ridiculous.

276 posted on 08/22/2012 5:48:51 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: Tennessee Nana
If Willie hadnt oped his big ugly stupid mouth this would have blown over as a local occurrance in MO but NOOOOOOOOOO Willie has to make it into a crisis so he could use it to get rid of a future truly conservativce pro-life opposition in the Senate to his liberal agenda..

Bingo. All Willard had to do was shut his mouth.

277 posted on 08/22/2012 5:48:57 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: PhxTM06

You have a point. This has gotten pointless. Those who’ve condemned Akins are a who’s who of conservatism. Probably best to leave the few misguided souls who think Akin did no wrong alone to play in their own sandbox.


278 posted on 08/22/2012 5:48:57 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: PhxTM06

Sperm meeting egg is extremely complex on a microscopic level, including factors which promote the process and factors which inhibit.

It’s much more than just pouring one on top of the other with guaranteed conception.


279 posted on 08/22/2012 5:49:09 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: JediJones
Actually he did, you can keep denying it until you are completely red in the face, won't make your point anymore accurate. Anyone who took what he said at face value thought the same thing.

Maybe it's not what he meant, but it's exactly how it came out, that women that become pregnant after being victims of rape, are somehow "frauding" and not being honest because after all, if a woman is REALLY "rape raped" her "body has a way to shut that whole thing down" so pregnancy wouldn't be an issue, right?

Keep grasping for straws though, it is entertaining.
280 posted on 08/22/2012 5:51:26 PM PDT by PhxTM06 (")
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