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EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016: U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans
The Washington Times ^ | August 8, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 08/08/2012 4:50:24 PM PDT by EveningStar

Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.

At issue is an article in the respected Small Wars Journal titled “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A ‘Vision’ of the Future.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 2016; army; banglist; civilwar; cwii; cwiiping; teaparty
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To: EveningStar
Now we understand the wisdom of our Founding Fathers when they warned that keeping a standing army could be dangerous to our freedom.

http://www.examiner.com/article/army-colonel-ignites-firestorm-with-article-on-crushing-a-tea-party-insurgency

61 posted on 08/08/2012 5:40:34 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: mnehring; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; ..

Second ping, just in case...


62 posted on 08/08/2012 5:42:21 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1297 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: EveningStar

If the scenario that this bird-brained former Colonel is trying to push ever comes about, I hope he is called on to surpress said “insurrection”. Because if he is, his biggest problem will not be the so-called insurgents that he is trying to crush. It will be the E-8 or E-9 standing behind him with a pistol.

I don’t think that they would let him get too far with this little plan of his.


63 posted on 08/08/2012 5:43:22 PM PDT by Have Ruck - Will Travel (Hmm, I wonder what would happen if I...)
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To: rawcatslyentist

We need to stop fighting middle eastern wars for them. Hell the last two nation middle eastern war that didn’t directly involve us was between Iraq and Iran.

If they want to fight among themselves we should let them. We have all the oil, gas, coal, hydroelectric we need right here. If the rest of the world wants to get involved let them.


64 posted on 08/08/2012 5:43:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: EveningStar
"Bonus Army" WWI veterans marching on WashDC US Army Cavalry, including such notables as Douglas MacArthur and Dwight Eisenhower, preparing to attack `Bonus Army' My grandfather, a KATY RR union man and his son, US regular army, had some spirited discussions on this topic.
65 posted on 08/08/2012 5:43:39 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: null and void

oh yeah...got it and it is coming fast


66 posted on 08/08/2012 5:43:53 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
“So when US soldiers start attacking US citizens, where exactly does their allegiance lie?”

My Great greatg great great grandfather asked in 1775:
“So When the British soldiers start attacking British citizens, where exactly does their allegiance lie?”

The answer then and now is, their allegiance is to the King. Or President or what ever he calls himself.

67 posted on 08/08/2012 5:44:18 PM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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To: EveningStar
I am trying to maintain an even keel reading the original article--but it's hard.

The plain truth, for anyone who has objectively paid attention for the past 3 years, is that the Tea Party is non-violent. And, on the other hand, the Occupy Whereever movement has seen numerous instances of violent criminal activity.

That having been said, I am truly disappointed that an otherwise excellent military thought experiment has been tinged with such explosive political content. If I were in the position to publish such a paper, I would not have ascribed the rebellion to any particular real world political movement of today by name. It is in fact irrelavent to the discussion in the article. In other words, the actions of the "Fifth U.S. Army" in the scenario would be the same no matter what the political alignment of the rebels.

This guy needs to be more careful.

On the other hand, I respectfully submmit that if the State of Texas would secede from the Union in 2016, a 2nd term Obama Administration would lack the funds to reconquer it without resorting to nuclear weapons.

69 posted on 08/08/2012 5:45:09 PM PDT by Lysandru
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To: Rebelbase

Don’t forget 1996 LA Riots. The UN was close to having boots on the ground. Never letting an opportunity go to waste...


70 posted on 08/08/2012 5:46:10 PM PDT by endthematrix (The Name of the Game is BAILOUT.)
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To: EveningStar
The last paragraph of this article is the most important:
A professor at the Joint Forces Staff College was relieved of duty in June for uttering the heresy that the United States is at war with Islam. The Obama administration contended the professor had to be relieved because what he was teaching was not U.S. policy. Because there is no disclaimer attached to the Small Wars piece, it is fair to ask, at least in Col. Benson’s case, whether his views reflect official policy regarding the use of U.S. military force against American citizens.(emphasis mine - DW)

71 posted on 08/08/2012 5:47:38 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ScubieNuc

Yes, take on the Tea Party when you have a war in the inner cities being ignored every day for decades.


72 posted on 08/08/2012 5:47:53 PM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many nasty jams.)
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To: Rebelbase
It's already happened before:

I know. But I didn't want to get into an argument with anyone that claimed it had not.

73 posted on 08/08/2012 5:48:18 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: endthematrix

1992


74 posted on 08/08/2012 5:48:41 PM PDT by endthematrix (The Name of the Game is BAILOUT.)
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To: centurion316
The problem with Benson is the culprit is made up out of whole cloth. The TEA party is simply not going to do such a thing. E.V.E.R.

TEA party /= Militia Movement. Totally different things. Does Colonel Benson not know there is a difference? I can see how the university professor Weber could think such a disparaging thing, but your friend the Colonel?

I would venture to say that millions of Americans sympathize and support TEA party values. Not so about the militia movement. So in making up this unrealistic boogie man he is actually insulting those in the TEA party and those who support it's values.

My proof, by the way, is visual:

Here are just a few ACCURATE photos of REAL TEA Partiers:

So are Grandpa and Grandma really going to take over Darlington?

Not likely. Much more likely the the OWS will riot and kill, burn down, and destroy. The whole thing is LIBERAL propaganda meant to INSULT us.

Finally, I leave you with one further truth. Look at this, as to who was peaceful and who was not:



75 posted on 08/08/2012 5:48:55 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: PowderMonkey

Ruby Ridge did not involve the US Army, but the FBI and the Marshals Service.

The Wikipedia article is rather comprehensive:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge

Large cash payments were eventually awarded to the surviving members of the Weaver family, but the government agents who murdered Randy Weaver’s wife Vicki and his son Sammy were never punished. The whole affair was a nightmare from beginning to end.


76 posted on 08/08/2012 5:51:17 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: MileHi
ChildOfThe60s ~ Anyone that says something can’t happen simply because it hasn’t happened before is living in a fool’s paradise.

MileHi ~ Normalcy Bias

How much more a fool's paradise is it when one says something can't happen even though it has happened multiple times before?

77 posted on 08/08/2012 5:52:33 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1297 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Travis McGee; SLB
That's pretty darn spooky.

If such orders were to come down, you would see a schism within the military on par with the breakup of the old US Army in the days leading up to the First American Civil War. Contrary to what modern "historians" like to state, loyalties were not defined by North and South. There were many officers from the North who sided with the Confederacy and many from the South who sided with the Union.

78 posted on 08/08/2012 5:55:59 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: EveningStar

Posse Comitatus
I’ve been around some of those red team boys and they couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag. This is just another old retired guy trying to sell snake oil. He’d better serve the country greeting people at Walmart.


79 posted on 08/08/2012 5:56:54 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: NY Attitude

Later.


80 posted on 08/08/2012 5:57:44 PM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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