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Chief Apologizes To Bystanders Detained During Suspect Search
CBS 4 Denver ^ | 6-712 | Staff

Posted on 06/07/2012 6:41:24 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy

AURORA, Colo. (CBS4) – The FBI has confirmed the man arrested in connection to a bank robbery in Aurora is the suspect they were looking for and acted alone.

The suspect has been identified as Christian Paetsch, 45, of Centennial.

The Wells Fargo at Chambers and Hampden was robbed just before closing time on Saturday. Shortly afterwards police shut down the intersection of Buckley and Iliff just southeast of the bank, corralling nearly two dozen cars in search for the suspect.

Police Chief Daniel Oates on Monday apologized to the innocent bystanders that got caught up in the search for the suspect. Oates also said the ends justify the means since the suspect was caught.

About 19 vehicles were stopped Saturday afternoon for about two hours.

Oates would not discuss the tracking technology used, but called it a “virtual certainty” that the suspect was among the 40 people stopped and handcuffed.

The suspect was captured on surveillance cameras wearing a beekeeper mask and gloves. Oates said that the mask, along with two semi-automatic weapons were found in the suspect’s vehicle.

Paetsch had one previous arrest. Oates called him extraordinarily dangerous.

Oates said because of the description of the suspect a lieutenant made the decision to stop everyone in the area. Oates called the stops lawful and necessary.

“The law is clear that investigative detentions are lawful for a reasonable period of time,” Oates said. “Reasonableness is determined by the facts and circumstances at issue, and the facts and circumstances were the suspect was in one of 19 cars.”

Oats said the police department has received about five complaints regarding the methods used, but none of them came from any of the 40 people who were detained.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: constitution; donutwatch; goons; policestate; terrorists
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To: atomic conspiracy
19 posts excoriating the police without exception for what seems to me to be both a reasonable and restrained police investigation.

Don't bother hollering at me--you've already demonstrated both your viewpoint and your manner. I won't respond.

I just wanted to post a dissenting opinion, a voice crying in the wilderness. Believe it or not, there are others on FR who agree with my viewpoint.

21 posted on 06/07/2012 7:59:31 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Oates also said the ends justify the means since the suspect was caught.

I heard him interviewed on the radio. He also said, in so many words, that the peasants shouldn't second guess the PD because they know what they are doing and we don't. This New York lawyer seems to believe that your rights may be disregarded if it makes his job easier.

22 posted on 06/07/2012 8:04:54 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

“Believe it or not, there are others on FR who agree with my viewpoint. “

I know. And it both saddens me and angers me at the same time.


23 posted on 06/07/2012 8:14:21 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Hebrews 11:6
Yeah, that second picture above sure looks "restrained and reasonable". Sheesh.
24 posted on 06/07/2012 8:16:01 PM PDT by PalmettoMason (South Carolinians need to start choosing a primary challenger to Nikki Haley NOW!!!!!!!)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

Stupid post. Get lost.


25 posted on 06/07/2012 8:17:47 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: 11Bush

Oates should be dragged into the street and executed by flamethrower. Then his family should be stripped of all assets and sold into slavery.

Just my opinion of course.


26 posted on 06/07/2012 8:19:11 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: sarasmom

I haven’t been gone... at least physically:)


27 posted on 06/07/2012 8:36:05 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

Tyrants always believe the ends justify the means. Freedom loving people disagree and believe illegal ends just lead to corruption, abuse of power and tyranny.

Nice going Chief. I hope Aurora PD is sued into oblivion and the Chief is required to resign.


28 posted on 06/07/2012 8:38:43 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: atomic conspiracy

Yeah.... An apology covers just about anything .../s

Luckily no one got shot.


29 posted on 06/07/2012 8:50:34 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live athrough it anyway)
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To: atomic conspiracy
“The law is clear that investigative detentions are lawful for a reasonable period of time,” Oates said.

The official epitaph for the Fourth Amendment.

30 posted on 06/07/2012 9:21:18 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: atomic conspiracy
About ten years ago, the Houston PD arrested everyone in a shopping mall parking lot about midnight because drag racing had happened in that neighborhood. There were something like 100-200 claims for false arrest. The idiots arrested everyone parked in line at a White Castle, parents exiting a Wal-Mart with loads of disposable diapers, etc. Some of us estimated Houston's civil liability at something like $25 million.

This one merits civil injunctive relief of the officers having to wear dunce caps in uniform at the library as community service.

31 posted on 06/07/2012 9:44:20 PM PDT by Thud
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To: atomic conspiracy

If this SOB police chief had a video film of the suspect, and it/a description was broadcast to the patrol cars, it is safe to assume that a male suspect is NOT THOSE WOMEN AND CHILDREN arrested at gunpoint and handcuffed.

Colorado: I’m beginning to think they’re as crazy as Californian.

SUE, SUE, SUE!


32 posted on 06/07/2012 9:50:44 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: atomic conspiracy

If this SOB police chief had a video film of the suspect, and it/a description was broadcast to the patrol cars, it is safe to assume that a male suspect is NOT THOSE WOMEN AND CHILDREN arrested at gunpoint and handcuffed.

Colorado: I’m beginning to think they’re as crazy as the Californians.

SUE, SUE, SUE!


33 posted on 06/07/2012 9:51:30 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: atomic conspiracy
Oates would not discuss the tracking technology used, but called it a “virtual certainty” that the suspect was among the 40 people stopped and handcuffed.

He's going to have to cought up the information very soon, what is he waiting for ? Does it need tweaking?

34 posted on 06/07/2012 11:04:45 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Hebrews 11:6

I wonder if you would be so sanctimonious after someone pointed a shotgun at your head


35 posted on 06/07/2012 11:17:04 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: rolling_stone

reliable tip???
http://rt.com/usa/news/suspect-police-cops-reports-197/


36 posted on 06/07/2012 11:23:55 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

ANALYSIS
http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/05/police-searching-for-bank-robber-stop-all-cars-at-intersection-handcuff-drivers-search-cars/

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_n5_v67/ai_20794167/


37 posted on 06/07/2012 11:38:19 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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just southeast(sic) of the bank

Buckley and Iliff is northeast of Hampden and Chambers.

38 posted on 06/08/2012 1:33:30 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Nik Naym; Hebrews 11:6
This was not a restrained investigation. This was police run amok on a power trip.

The two of you should find a site that applauds police excesses.

39 posted on 06/08/2012 6:00:26 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Nik Naym

I’m with a guy further down. A gun pointed at my head isn’t a small issue. You’ve placed their life in danger, without cause. Accidental discharges happen, and cops aren’t generally held liable for it. cops have become entirely too comfortable with the threat of lethal force.
It’s easy to say an actions is justified when your aren’t the one having a gun aimed at your are being detained against your will. Or being verbally abuse by a jerk who feels he he has to ensure your know he’s got a Big @#%@.
When cops feel they can treat me that way, I’d just as soon let one bleed to death as help him.


40 posted on 06/08/2012 7:12:33 AM PDT by LevinFan
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