Posted on 04/09/2012 11:50:44 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
Assemblyman Anthony Bucco, R-Morris, isn't convinced that President Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen and thinks it's important "to make sure people are who they say they are."
Morris County Sheriff Ed Rochford also is intrigued with questions over Obama's citizenship and asked, "Why is the president not allowing a lot of (his) records to be released?"
They were talking about alleged inconsistencies in Obama's citizenship, a topic known as the "birther" controversy and one that has been roundly rejected in mainstream circles but remains alive largely in right wing, Republican Tea Party circles.
The issue continues despite evidence that shows that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a U.S. citizen. The president released a copy of his birth certificate last year after questions were raised by Donald Trump, a brief, potential GOP candidate for president. The authenticity of the certificate has been confirmed by the Hawaii Department of Health.
Jerome Corsi of Denville, an author and "birther" advocate, led the program at a standing-room only gathering held on Tuesday, April 3, at the Morristown Masonic Lodge.
The forum was sponsored by the Morristown Tea Party and was funded in part by a $250 donation from Morris County Republican Committee Chairman John Sette. He declined to comment beyond saying, "It's not the Republican Party's position to censor anything people want to say."
Other prominent county officials at the meeting included newly elected Freeholder Hank Lyon of Montville, Freeholder Thomas J. Mastrangelo and Morris Township Committeeman and former Mayor Scott Rosenbush.
Corsi told the audience that his research has uncovered forgeries in the birth certificate released by Obama and in other records the president has released. Like other birthers, Corsi said the evidence indicates that Obama was born in Kenya, the birth place of his father, even though Obama’s birth certificate states that he was born in Hawaii.
“Clearly this issue isn’t going away,” Bucco said. “I felt the gentleman (Corsi) raised interesting points. There are so many discrepancies that it leads one to say 'Why hasn’t it been cleared up?' ”
Bucco said he wants to see Obama’s “original” birth certificate and wants more documentation about where the president’s father lived.
Bucco represents the 25th Legislative District, including the Boontons, Chesters, Denville, Dover, the Mendhams, Morris Township, Morristown, Mount Arlington, Mountain Lakes, Netcong, Randolph, Rockaway, Victory Gardens, Washington Township and Wharton.
Sette said he has a "very close relationship" with the Morristown Tea Party, but was only at the program "a few minutes."
He said he also will be underwriting a Tea Party program in May that will feature Frank Gaffney, a right wing, neo-conservative blogger and former Regan deputy assistant of defense in the Reagan administration.
From August 1983 until November 1987, Gaffney held the position of Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear Forces and Arms Control Policy in the Reagan Administration.
Gaffney has sided with the birther claims, has said Obama might be a Muslim and has accused Obama of using coded language to indicate that America would submit to Sharia law. Gaffney also said former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin learned foreign policy through "osmosis," by living in Alaska.
"We can all listen to all points of view," Sette said.
For Lyon, the program was “the most in-depth discussion I’ve every heard” on the birther topic.
Lyon said he was most concerned with questions that Corsi raised over Obama’s birth certificate and Selective Service card. And while he listened intently to Corsi’s speech, Lyon said he is not convinced that the president is not a legal U.S. citizen.
“It’s very difficult to prove there is an overarching conspiracy at the federal level and I’m not necessarily convinced the federal government is involved in a conspiracy,” Lyon said. “I think Obama has been a bad president, but I don’t think he has violated any laws.”
Rochford said he had previously heard Corsi speak at the Randolph Republican Party meeting in February and was curious to hear more.
"I think he brought out some really interesting information," Rochford said. "It looked like there was some doctoring of the birth certificate."
Rochford said Corsi raised legitimate concerns over the place of Obama's birth, why he was known as "Barry Sotero" while traveling in Kenya and Indonesia and why Obama has not released his college records. Rochford also is concerned with Obama's Selective Service record.
"There are so many red flags," Rochford said.
Corsi has a doctorate degree in political science from Harvard University. Two of his books have been New York Times best-sellers while they have been rejected by critics, who have said his theories and comments are often inaccurate.
The books include “Unfit to Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry,” published in 2004. It questioned the former Democratic presidential candidate’s Vietnam War record. “The Obama Nation,” published in 2008, identified Obama as a leftist with strong ties to Islam.
Last week’s program was coordinated by attorney William Baer of Harding Township and Dan Haggerty of Randolph. They both also co-host the “Baer-Haggerty Offensive,” a radio show on the Patriot’s Watch program on WNJC 1360AM radio.
“We were thrilled with the attendance,” Baer said. “The turnout was great.”
Baer said questions over Obama’s citizenship first were raised in the spring of 2008, after similar inquiries were made about Sen. John McCain because the former GOP presidential candidate was born in Panama.
“It was a valid question and it was resolved that if you’re born to two U.S. citizens, then you’re a citizen,” Baer said.
He said the same should hold for Obama, but that Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen.
Legal experts have determined that Obama meets the criteria in the Constitution because he was born on American soil. But Baer disputes the conclusion.
“Irrespective of where he (Obama) was born, he is not a citizen,” Baer said.
He said the authors of the Constitution wanted any president to have both parents as U.S. citizens, “so the president would have undivided loyalty to the U.S.”
“I would say the correct definition is to be born on U.S. soil to U.S. parents,” Baer said.
Baer also said many political officials have questions about Obama’s citizenship, but won’t air their concerns because they “feel it’s a third rail and they’re afraid to get near it.”
Haggerty also said the birther issue “hasn’t gotten the treatment it should get. It’s a frightening issue to any American, Democrat or Republican.”
And Baer said the issue is of critical importance to the future of the nation.
"If we don’t get the truth out, it will fester and we’ll keep moving to the end of a constitutional republic," Baer said.
Well, that's a negative way to describe a former Reagan official...(and they can't even spell Reagan properly!)
Check Obama’s NUMIDENT file with the Social Security Administration. His SSN Application was filed with personal identification documents and they were verified by a SSA Document Examiner. The results of the examination were into his NUMIDENT file.
“they were verified”
Really? All of my kids were born in Japan, and all I had to do to get their social security cards was sign a form.
“right wing”
That’s the center, muttbunch.
“The issue continues despite evidence that shows that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a U.S. citizen.”
The issue continues despite obviously forged evidence that shows that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a U.S. citizen.
There. Fixed it.
Donald Regan was Reagan’s chief of staff for a while. Perhaps that’s who is being referred to?
No. Donald Regan did not have an “administration” except in his own mind.
Yeah, but how many SS#s does each kid have?
ML/NJ
Interesting about Gaffney, I’ve followed the issue closely and did not know he was on board with us. He used to be a regular on Fox, I don’t watch Fox anymore but I assume he is no longer a fixture on the complicit in the conspiracy Fox.
That statement proves he doesn’t think at all.
Rochford said. "It looked like there was some doctoring of the birth certificate."
Sounds very much like a fraud has been perpetrated, but it apparently doesn’t break any laws.
Legal experts have determined that Obama meets the criteria in the Constitution because he was born on American soil. But Baer disputes the conclusion.
And exactly what legal experts would that be, since no one has standing to bring the thing to court.
Coward Scum everyone, only other reason for not pursuing this, they are traitors in concert.
And what evidence would that be..?
Not sure what that means, or what Sarah Palin’s foreign policy has to do with the birth certificate, regardless of how or where she learned.
RECOGNIZING when the PEOPLE INVOLVED with the PRESS ROLLOUT of PRESIDENT OBAMA’S 2011 LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AD CAMPAIGN WORE a PUBLIC v. PRIVATE HAT
http://jbjd.org/2012/04/08/obamabc-fuddy-publicprivatehat/
It would be far more productive to focus on the issue of ‘natural born’ if only because BHO told us that he was not in his autobiography.
As someone posted earlier on another thread, Obama’s BC states that his race is African-American. In 1961, people of color were called Negroes. The term African-American did not come into use until the ‘70’s.
Also, his father is described as a citizen of Keyna having been born there. In 1961, there was no such place as Keyna. That place would have been named as a Protectorate of the Brithish Empire, I paraphrase a bit here as I’m not certain of the correct name, but it could not have been Keyna.
Everything you submitted to the SSA was subject to verification a document examiner.
If your children were born in a foreign country, they would have to have a Certificate of Citizenship on file with the U.S. State Department before they were entitled to a SSN. A document examiner is given the access necessary to verify citizenship.
If your children were Permanent Resident Aliens, they would have to provide their Alien Registration Numbers to qualify for an SSN. Any documents submitted to obtain an SSN is verified and coded in the NUMIDENT file with the SSA by a document examiner.
I hope you will respond to the crisis of confidence that Watergate has created by opening up your administration and reaching out to people in a more magnanimous spirit.
Elliot Richardson
That's why the plot thickens. He released yet another electronic copy. This one was an Adobe, photoshopped, layered version. He never handed over the paper copy for inspection. Anyway, what happened to that birth certificate Obama mentions finding in his book? Why is that no longer in his possession? Why the need to even get the birth certificate from Hawaii? Like, what's he been using all these years? Pretty basic questions the intelligent media can't be bothered to ask our intelligent president.
Observer~Tribune? Phil Garber? Managing editor? He’s a joke! My 10 year old grandson would do a better, more in-depth job of reporting this story. Sad!
“Yeah, but how many SS#s does each kid have?”
Just one per child.
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