Posted on 03/22/2012 6:26:34 PM PDT by marktwain
This is a link to a PDF file of the Twin Lakes Shooting Initial Report (Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman)
(Excerpt) Read more at sanfordfl.gov ...
The 6', 160 pounds is an estimate from an officer at the scene. We do not have the autopsy from the morgue yet. 6'3" has been reported in the media several times.
It seems the Left is working double time to start a race riot and, yes, Freepers are buying it because they aren’t looking at the facts. They get caught in the emotion, lies, and distortions and end up joining the lynch mob mentality.
We’ve had this with Rush Limbaugh, the shooting murders of the Jewish rabbi and his children and paratroopers in France (it had to be neo-Nazis, right? Nope. Just a Muslim terrorist.), the Duke Lacrosse debacle, the Beltway snipers (it was two white guys in a white van!).
When was the last time you ever saw the media rousing the rabble to lynch Black people who said the wrong thing on the radio or killed a white person. Did the Black Panthers have the Feds breathing down their necks when they blocked Whitey from voting in the last election? Nope. Did the media try to do an e-lynching on the Black Panthers? Nope. It was all Whitey’s fault for that situation.
It seems the Left, from Obama, the media, non-profit groups, et al that all seem to be trying to fan the flames of racism and riots like I have never seen before.
The discussion is clearly degenerating. I mentioned the height because people are saying not to believe reports, and then citing reports they prefer for the sake of their arguments.
The police report says 6’0”, I don’t see why that is less credible than “later reports in the media.”
But my point was about selectively relying on the media.
A few inches this way or that is ridiculously irrelevant.
How do you know she was telling the truth?
There are cell records that Martin was on the phone with this girl, but she is clearly lying about what he said.
He really said, “hey, don hang up, I can’t talk cuz I’ma gon run round the block n hit this cracker good, but you stay on and say I wuz jus talkin wid you n he jump me.”
That’s what really happened in the Hydrazine scenario world. The girl is lying and Zimmerman is telling the truth. We know who was lying and who is telling the truth because... how do we know this?
All you’ve got is your liberal racism. That’s it; racism. You threw the race card faster than Jesse Jackson.
Your logic is, well, illogical.
If you believe the story the kid ran away, Zimmerman broke off the chase and headed back to his truck. Then the kid came back and attacked him. Unfortunately and tragically the boy was killed. A terrible incident but no chargeable offense. Thats why the police have not arrested Zimmerman.
Twilight zone is calling you.
Sounds like a good defense. Probably even be true.
Doesn’t matter, though. He’s the only eye witness to how and when the fight started.
Lets just hope the courts don’t bankrupt him or unjustly jail him to please the racist elements of the black population.
We don't.
But the call log nails down the timeline, even if we have only her account of what he said and what she heard. If there's a trial, the jury will have to decide if she's believable, what to make of the timeline, and how it fits with other testimony.
“Zimmerman broke off the chase and headed back to his truck. Then the kid came back and attacked him.”
Do you have a source for this statement, other than Zimmerman? I thought that the neighbors heard the struggle in the back of their yards, which would not be the case if Zimmerman had gone back to his vehicle. Did Zimmerman break off the chase, or did Martin elude him? If a bad guy was chasing me, the element of surprise is something I would use to defend myself.
“It seems the Left is working double time to start a race riot and, yes, Freepers are buying it because they aren’t looking at the facts.”
I don’t like what the liberal media is doing, distorting this into a racial issue. But I am not going to defend Zimmerman’s actions. Zimmerman did everything a CCW holder is not supposed to do, and he is jeopardizing all the gains gun owners have made in recent years. From what I can tell, he violated many of the rules for Neighborhood Watch as well. He deserves a fair trial, but in the court of public opinion, I say throw him under the bus.
What legally did he do wrong?
I have read the whole thing and listened to all the calls.
There is no case here based on what is published. The only reasonable things left that should be investigated are how they ended up in the commons area behind the houses. And what was the shootee doing out there? Exercise? Fresh air? He was a guest and not a regular of the neighborhood.
the shooter went looking for him? Or was chased there?
There was obviously a physical confrontation and the man can be heard yelling for help before the gunshots. He has grass and on his back and is wet. He was down and on his back!
His previous call seems informative and his call history appears to prove he is a very aware citizen.
Looks like self defense to me. I don’t think they were making love in the grass unless the dead guys name is Help.
The ONLY other scenario I can conjure is that Zimmerman shot the kid out of rage and had the presence of mind to roll around in the grass and bloody himself up to make it look like a fight occurred. Otherwise, I agree with you Tenacious, this was pretty clear-cut self-defense and EXACTLY the reason for this state’s “Stand Your Ground” law.
“What legally did he do wrong?”
Zimmerman initiated a physical confrontation and then shot an unarmed man. Zimmerman is not LEO, he is not a licensed Security Guard, he was not on his own property, he did not observe a felony being committed. Zimmerman was engaged in an armed pursuit of someone who did nothing, at night, in the rain, and when the inevitable physical conflict ensued he shot the guy because he was getting his @$$ kicked. CCW holders are not allowed to initiate conflicts and then shoot people because they were afraid for their life. Zimmerman is not covered by the “Stand Your Ground” Law because he initiated all this. I believe that Martin was possibly covered by the Stand Your Ground because he was the one who was being pursued.
Hmmm? Suspicious = disposed to suspect something wrong
You don't recognize the individual. He/She seems interested in the houses. It's night time. There has been crime in the area.
I've called the police on some suspicious folks in my neighborhood following a couple of break ins. Turns out, one of the calls was some landscape workers taking a break at 7:30 PM on a Friday night. The other white guys were actually the burglars that broke into a house a few nights before. They were released because they had no evidence to hold them. They were "just looking at houses."
So, if you don't know what suspicious looks like, you sound predisposed to assume some sort of racism.
“Looks like self defense to me.”
I’d really be curious to know if the Zimmerman advocates are CCW holders or have ever taken a CCW class. From what I know, Zimmerman did everything wrong and should be held accountable.
6’-0” vs 6’-2” I musta made a mistake based on an earlier post and newspaper reporting.
The attached link shows the reference to 6’2”, and an embedded link includes a Fox news interview of the witness and 9-11 caller, indicating that Zimmerman was getting the shit kicked out of him on the ground.
Doesn’t exonorate Zimmerman, but maybe Jesse J and Zero best check out some reality before flying to Florida to join the Rev. Sharpton!
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