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Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say
UK Telegraph ^ | February 29, 2012 | Stephen Adams

Posted on 02/29/2012 12:48:43 PM PST by Pinkbell

The article, published in the Journal of Medical Ethics, says newborn babies are not “actual persons” and do not have a “moral right to life”. The academics also argue that parents should be able to have their baby killed if it turns out to be disabled when it is born.

The journal’s editor, Prof Julian Savulescu, director of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics, said the article's authors had received death threats since publishing the article. He said those who made abusive and threatening posts about the study were “fanatics opposed to the very values of a liberal society”.

The article, entitled “After-birth abortion: Why should the baby live?”, was written by two of Prof Savulescu’s former associates, Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva.

They argued: “The moral status of an infant is equivalent to that of a fetus in the sense that both lack those properties that justify the attribution of a right to life to an individual.”

Rather than being “actual persons”, newborns were “potential persons”. They explained: “Both a fetus and a newborn certainly are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a ‘person’ in the sense of ‘subject of a moral right to life’.

“We take ‘person’ to mean an individual who is capable of attributing to her own existence some (at least) basic value such that being deprived of this existence represents a loss to her.”

As such they argued it was “not possible to damage a newborn by preventing her from developing the potentiality to become a person in the morally relevant sense”.

The authors therefore concluded that “what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled”.

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To: Pinkbell

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has taken this issue away from the American people. We need to elect a pro-life President this year.


61 posted on 02/29/2012 4:36:09 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: SZonian; SoldierDad; MrB; Pinkbell

Seems we missed a few of the bastards back in 1945 and let them propagate.

Too bad they didn’t self-abort and lead the way...

Where in the hell do they manufacture psychotics like these?


62 posted on 02/29/2012 4:50:44 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Pinkbell

This is the ‘thinking’ that fed the ovens at Auschwitz.


63 posted on 02/29/2012 6:18:45 PM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Pinkbell

This is the logical conclusion of the abortion movement, is it not?


Yes.


64 posted on 02/29/2012 6:31:37 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: Pinkbell
experts say

Who died and appointed these people "experts"? Oh, right, like all leftists, they appointed themselves.

I'd like to get one of them alone for a little chat. Experts? My wife and I have been married for 35 years and have a 28 year old daughter that is one of the finest human beings I have ever known.

Experts? We are the experts. Real, loving parents are the experts. Not a bunch of sick, immoral eugenicists.

These people should be practicing some very late term abortions on themselves.

65 posted on 02/29/2012 8:21:30 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: chessplayer

It is the “logical” extension; I am afraid that it may well not be the conclusion.


66 posted on 02/29/2012 8:23:46 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Pinkbell; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; VinceASA; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; ...
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.


67 posted on 02/29/2012 8:23:52 PM PST by narses
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To: Pinkbell
Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say

Yeah, that's what pro-life people have been saying for years and getting ridiculed for it.
68 posted on 02/29/2012 8:28:26 PM PST by aruanan
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To: ChildOfThe60s

The people who are the most ardent advocates of abortion/euthanasia and population control consider themselves to be the true persons, those not part of the “surplus” population. Afterall, they must be here to lecture and decide the fate of the unwashed masses.


69 posted on 02/29/2012 8:31:00 PM PST by Pinkbell
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To: wagglebee

I missed that. Yeah, the media is slow, but at least it has hit the media at all. It’s amazing it didn’t just get swept under the rug completely.


70 posted on 02/29/2012 8:36:21 PM PST by Pinkbell
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To: Pinkbell

Pro-Life bump


71 posted on 02/29/2012 8:37:02 PM PST by Dajjal ("I'm not concerned about the very poor." -- severely conservative Mitt Rmoney)
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To: SumProVita

Yup, pure evil! It’s all logical to them though! They are truly sick twisted individuals!


72 posted on 02/29/2012 8:58:43 PM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: Pinkbell

God bless Newt Gingrich for telling like it is in the last debate:
Barack Obama supports infanticide. May he have the opportunity to say it loud and often!


73 posted on 02/29/2012 9:15:44 PM PST by bramps (Newt is the one)
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To: Pinkbell
killing
74 posted on 02/29/2012 9:32:32 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: 1010RD

Bttt


75 posted on 02/29/2012 9:56:39 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: NFHale
Hi Hale, how're things?

"Too bad they didn’t self-abort and lead the way..."

Isn't that the way it always is with these kind though?

"Where in the hell do they manufacture psychotics like these?"

I'm not sure psychotic is appropriate, more like soulless?

Take care brother!

76 posted on 02/29/2012 10:01:01 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Pinkbell

If you sit around discussing how crimes should be committed with the intent to commit them, or encourage others to do so, that is called conspiracy. That is a crime. So when does MI6, Interpol and the FBI arrest these idiots for conspiracy to commit large scale murder?

Do we not jail would be terrorists for this exact thing?

“Ethics” is just another in a long series of definitions that the left has co-opted and turned on it’s head.


77 posted on 03/01/2012 3:01:04 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Normie: Wandering Druid, Cult of Palin)
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To: APatientMan; FreedomOfExpression

Abortion and infanticide are both murder.


78 posted on 03/01/2012 5:28:18 AM PST by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: MrB

Exactly! “Ethics” are morals for people that don’t have any.


79 posted on 03/01/2012 5:53:44 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: SZonian

Hey brother!!!

“..how’re things?..”

Ahh..why bitch about it, ya know? Haha!

“...more like soulless?...”

Definitely soulless...but there’s psychosis involved too. Sociopath behavior as well. How else can anyone explain justifying the organized, systematic murder of children - or other human beings - on an industrial scale?

They don’t even blink an eye when speaking of it...

Since they have so little regard for human beings, it’s difficult not to see them as anything BUT psychotics...


80 posted on 03/01/2012 8:36:33 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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