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Fast and Furious Scandal Gives Rise to Gun Regulation Debate
Fox News ^ | December 15, 2011 | William Lajeunesse & Laura Prabucki

Posted on 12/15/2011 11:21:44 AM PST by jazusamo

As a candidate, Barack Obama once endorsed a ban on handguns and favored restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms. So when gun owners heard of Operation Fast and Furious, many feared the worst.

Now, newly revealed emails suggest that if the gun-running operation didn't start out with that intent, as administration officials insist, the program certainly led to discussions on new gun regulations.

"There's a lot of talk that President Obama stated that he is working for gun control with alternative methods," said Arizona gun dealer Jeff Serdy. "I hope this isn't one of them."

Serdy and others suspect the Obama administration used the gun-running operation to support regulations Congress would not even consider, namely, a rule requiring gun stores in the Southwest to report anyone who tries to buy multiple "long guns," or rifles, in a one-week period.

"If the American people learn that the motivations for all of this was to make a case to deprive them of their Second Amendment rights or to make a case to further the (Justice) department's ability to further regulate gun rights within the United States, that would make them very angry," said Arizona Republican Rep. Trent Franks.

Holder insists that's not accurate.

"Clearly, an attempt to use Fast and Furious as a way to bolster the request for that long-gun regulation would have been foolhardy," he told the House Judiciary Committee last week.

There is no evidence the administration initially considered using the operation to justify stronger gun laws. But as the investigation dragged on, and Washington saw more and more weapons from U.S. gun stores show up at Mexican crime scenes, at least some officials saw a political argument developing to support their legislative agenda.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; corruption; dea; democratcorruption; democrats; dhs; doj; donttreadonme; fastandfurious; fbi; guncontrol; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; obama; tyranny; undertheradar; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 12/15/2011 11:21:52 AM PST by jazusamo
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To: MestaMachine

Ping!


2 posted on 12/15/2011 11:27:04 AM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Barack Obama once endorsed a ban on handguns and favored restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.

This is a fact, and he knows he doesn’t have any chance of passing gun control by legal means. He has said in public with anti-gun groups that he was working on some solutions ‘under the radar’. I think Fast and Furious, as well as mass sales by the state dept to Mexico, demand letters to border states restricting multiple sales(with no legal right to do so) makes it plain to see what he is doing. It was nothing, but backdoor gun control, or as he says ‘under the radar’.


3 posted on 12/15/2011 11:28:11 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: jazusamo
at least some officials saw a political argument developing to support their legislative agenda.

Head-spinning, headache-inducing AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I'm losing my mind. I really am. This administration is getting away with so much corruption, and the media is complicit!

4 posted on 12/15/2011 11:29:29 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

Yep, it’s a crooked, corrupt, lying administration and the enemedia backs them to the hilt.


5 posted on 12/15/2011 11:32:47 AM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
The government illegally transfers guns to criminals, then says it proves that we need more gun control laws placed on the peasants.

Machiavelli would be proud.

6 posted on 12/15/2011 11:33:39 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: MestaMachine; Nachum

F & F Ping


7 posted on 12/15/2011 11:34:51 AM PST by simplesimon (You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own "facts"...........)
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To: jazusamo

The Democrats love guns.....as long as they get to decide who to point them at.


8 posted on 12/15/2011 11:34:59 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: jazusamo
There is no evidence the administration initially considered using the operation to justify stronger gun laws.
BRAVO SIERRA!!! Everyone in the admin was spewing the 90% lie the whole time this operation was going on. That's all the evidence I need.
9 posted on 12/15/2011 11:35:56 AM PST by eyrish69 (Yellowstone Wolves - Smoke a Pack a Day!!!)
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To: nobamanomore

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Might be good if a congresscritter asked Holder and Obama just what were the under the radar gun control activities...


10 posted on 12/15/2011 11:37:40 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: jazusamo
Fast and Furious Scandal Gives Rise to Gun Regulation Debate...

This is how upside down things are. The "debate" should be over what federal penetentiary a disgraced and convicted president and attorney general should be incarcerated at.
11 posted on 12/15/2011 11:37:50 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: jazusamo

So...

Let’s skip the investigation about who let guns into mexico

and the fact that it got american federal agents killed...

...and go right back to the original plan~!

Which was to let criminals have guns, so we can claim that we need more gun control laws to stop criminals from getting guns


12 posted on 12/15/2011 11:39:28 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

13 posted on 12/15/2011 11:40:12 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: jazusamo

I’m not in the mood to debate. BANG!


14 posted on 12/15/2011 11:43:30 AM PST by The Toll
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To: jazusamo
Holder insists that's not accurate.

Holder can insist in one hand and you-know-what in the other. We all know his word is worthless. He's a weaselly, rat-faced liar who belongs in an orange jumpsuit.

15 posted on 12/15/2011 11:44:50 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: jazusamo

Transferring arms to drug cartels is terrorism. Use the new law and hold all these Fed-mobsters at Gitmo, without trial, indefinitely. Maybe that will loosen their tongues up.


16 posted on 12/15/2011 11:57:04 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: jazusamo

Never let a crisis go to waste !! LOL , ROFL


17 posted on 12/15/2011 12:01:16 PM PST by molson209
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To: jazusamo
Holder insists that's not accurate.

"Clearly, an attempt to use Fast and Furious as a way to bolster the request for that long-gun regulation would have been foolhardy," he told the House Judiciary Committee last week.

Absolutely correct weasel face.

But that has nothing to do with the attempt to do just that.

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF’s Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

“Bill – can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2817349/posts

18 posted on 12/15/2011 12:10:12 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: molson209
Never let a crisis go to waste...

And if there is no crisis, create one.

19 posted on 12/15/2011 12:19:25 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: TLI
But that has nothing to do with the attempt to do just that.

Exactly..."Foolhardy" is nothing more than an attempt by the lying Holder to cover their intentions and sane people are clued in to this administrations blatant law breaking.

Thanks for the links.

20 posted on 12/15/2011 12:42:32 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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