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1 posted on 12/15/2011 11:21:52 AM PST by jazusamo
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To: MestaMachine

Ping!


2 posted on 12/15/2011 11:27:04 AM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Barack Obama once endorsed a ban on handguns and favored restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.

This is a fact, and he knows he doesn’t have any chance of passing gun control by legal means. He has said in public with anti-gun groups that he was working on some solutions ‘under the radar’. I think Fast and Furious, as well as mass sales by the state dept to Mexico, demand letters to border states restricting multiple sales(with no legal right to do so) makes it plain to see what he is doing. It was nothing, but backdoor gun control, or as he says ‘under the radar’.


3 posted on 12/15/2011 11:28:11 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: jazusamo
at least some officials saw a political argument developing to support their legislative agenda.

Head-spinning, headache-inducing AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I'm losing my mind. I really am. This administration is getting away with so much corruption, and the media is complicit!

4 posted on 12/15/2011 11:29:29 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: jazusamo
The government illegally transfers guns to criminals, then says it proves that we need more gun control laws placed on the peasants.

Machiavelli would be proud.

6 posted on 12/15/2011 11:33:39 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: MestaMachine; Nachum

F & F Ping


7 posted on 12/15/2011 11:34:51 AM PST by simplesimon (You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own "facts"...........)
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To: jazusamo

The Democrats love guns.....as long as they get to decide who to point them at.


8 posted on 12/15/2011 11:34:59 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: jazusamo
There is no evidence the administration initially considered using the operation to justify stronger gun laws.
BRAVO SIERRA!!! Everyone in the admin was spewing the 90% lie the whole time this operation was going on. That's all the evidence I need.
9 posted on 12/15/2011 11:35:56 AM PST by eyrish69 (Yellowstone Wolves - Smoke a Pack a Day!!!)
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To: jazusamo
Fast and Furious Scandal Gives Rise to Gun Regulation Debate...

This is how upside down things are. The "debate" should be over what federal penetentiary a disgraced and convicted president and attorney general should be incarcerated at.
11 posted on 12/15/2011 11:37:50 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: jazusamo

So...

Let’s skip the investigation about who let guns into mexico

and the fact that it got american federal agents killed...

...and go right back to the original plan~!

Which was to let criminals have guns, so we can claim that we need more gun control laws to stop criminals from getting guns


12 posted on 12/15/2011 11:39:28 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: jazusamo

I’m not in the mood to debate. BANG!


14 posted on 12/15/2011 11:43:30 AM PST by The Toll
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To: jazusamo
Holder insists that's not accurate.

Holder can insist in one hand and you-know-what in the other. We all know his word is worthless. He's a weaselly, rat-faced liar who belongs in an orange jumpsuit.

15 posted on 12/15/2011 11:44:50 AM PST by Disambiguator
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Transferring arms to drug cartels is terrorism. Use the new law and hold all these Fed-mobsters at Gitmo, without trial, indefinitely. Maybe that will loosen their tongues up.


16 posted on 12/15/2011 11:57:04 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: jazusamo
Holder insists that's not accurate.

"Clearly, an attempt to use Fast and Furious as a way to bolster the request for that long-gun regulation would have been foolhardy," he told the House Judiciary Committee last week.

Absolutely correct weasel face.

But that has nothing to do with the attempt to do just that.

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF’s Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

“Bill – can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2817349/posts

18 posted on 12/15/2011 12:10:12 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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Fast and Furious was created deliberately to create a situation to justify gun control. Brian Terry died because of that misguided belief.

F&F violated the Constitution and was a serious effort to violate Americans Civil Rights. Because of that, the Government MUST relinquish a severe degree of control over firearms. We are not giving them a choice. Congress must repeal significant gun control laws on the books. Nothing less will be acceptable. The Government attempted to subvert the Rights of the American People and must be punished for doing so.

Repeals must include but not be limited to:

1. The NFA.
2. The Sporting Purpose Clause of the 1968 GCA.
3. The Hughes Amendment to FOPA 1986.
4. Any and all multiple purchase reporting requirements.

AND, we demand that all Government and LE exemptions to Firearms laws and regulations be removed and outlawed for any future legislation.

The Government messed up bad. They must pay for it.


21 posted on 12/15/2011 12:58:04 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: jazusamo; Travis McGee; Joe Brower; wardaddy; Eaker; El Gato; Jeff Head; SunkenCiv; Billthedrill; ..
Law enforcement was not 'in the dark' when individuals purchased Fast and Furious weapons, they say. Rather, ATF agents received real-time -- and sometimes advanced -- notice from cooperating gun dealers when suspected straw buyers purchased weapons. Buyers frequently called in their order before showing up. Gun store owners would give the straw buyers a pick-up time specifically to give ATF agents plenty of time to set up their cameras and surveillance teams.

In one email, Burke called the gun stores 'evil' and ATF brass in Washington also cooperated for a story in The Washington Post in December 2009 suggesting border-state gun stores were responsible for Mexico's cartel violence.

Internally, ATF officials admit cooperating gun stores like Lone Wolf in Phoenix -- singled out in the Post story -- actually helped the operation, dutifully faxing the names, addresses and serial numbers of the guns that the straws bought, often the same day. Lone Wolf also allowed the ATF to install cameras inside the store, giving ATF officials coast to coast real-time information about purchases and purchasers.

Holder's critics say he is setting their argument for them. According to the facts in the case, 93 multiple handgun purchases were made by Fast and Furious suspects, averaging nearly five handguns per purchase. These were already required to be reported under existing regulations.

So BATFE agents were already being notified, and they wanted the drug cartels to have another thousand or so long guns! And this was so idiotically stupid that Brian Terry had to be murdered before it was stopped? Lanny Breuer admitted to knowing about it, and Breuer did nothing to stop it. I'm not a lawyer, but why can't Arizona bring Breuer up on charges of negligent homicide or some sort of accessory? Breuer needs to be made to talk. He needs to be placed in protective custody ASAP.

27 posted on 12/18/2011 2:40:16 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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