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Perry: We Don't Need to Elect the 'Smoothest Debater'
National Review ^ | Sept. 23, 2011 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 09/23/2011 11:07:54 AM PDT by Clairity

In his CPAC speech today, Rick Perry came out swinging, criticizing Romneycare vigorously and stressing that there was no connection between good debating and good governing.

"As conservatives, we know that values and vision matter," Perry said. "It's not who is the slickest candidate or the smoothest debater that we need to elect. We need to elect the candidate with the best record and the best vision for this country."

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KEYWORDS: cpac; perry; perry2012
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To: South40

“The Republicans in congress would fight democRAT Obama...”

Yep, they’ve been doing a fine job of that.


141 posted on 09/23/2011 1:00:23 PM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: NavyCanDo
If debate performance is so important then why aren't Cain and or Gingrich shooting up in the polls?

You can't have it both ways, either debates matter or they don't, they can't just matter for Perry and no one else.

The reason they are not shooting up, is because debates don't matter. On a list of the 10 most important things a politician can possess to run successfully for office ... good debate skills wouldn't even be on the list.

142 posted on 09/23/2011 1:00:30 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: Eva

Probably because he thinks people could figure that out on their own. He needs to realize that the majority of Ameicans don’t have a clue as to where the BORDER really is.

Do they still have geography as a requirement in Schools? Probably not. AND TEXAS has 1500 miles of border with MX.

Bring the troops home from the third world H holes and put them on the border to stop the hostilities. That is the ONLY way in Texas.


143 posted on 09/23/2011 1:05:31 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Jeff Head

Bear to Eagle, it’s all of a piece and it’s all beautiful. In fact, there is nothing more beautiful.


144 posted on 09/23/2011 1:06:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Magic Fingers
Look at how Barry and the dems were spending before the GOP took control of the House compared to after.

Do you not see that their mantra of "Pass the bill" (his jobs/spending package) would not even be necessary were the dems still in control of the House?

Republicans could do a better job, sure. But Barry's spending spree has hit the skids and can only continue with cooperation from the Republicans.

145 posted on 09/23/2011 1:12:23 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: Grunthor

How about some people quit being so sensitive. . . heartless??? You know he wasn’t name calling. . . just a figure of speech to explain his position. Sheesh.


146 posted on 09/23/2011 1:19:33 PM PDT by adc (Rush '12All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently oppos)
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To: South40

“But Barry’s spending spree has hit the skids and can only continue with cooperation from the Republicans.”

Which perhaps makes a case for the greater importance of Congressional elections vs. the Presidential elections.


147 posted on 09/23/2011 1:22:43 PM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: Clairity

148 posted on 09/23/2011 1:23:40 PM PDT by McGruff (Vetting - The process of examination and evaluation of a candidate's record.)
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To: jurroppi1; stephenjohnbanker; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; 2ndDivisionVet; Just mythoughts; South40; ...
A Texas Dream Act applicant must testify on the official state form that he/she intends to apply for legal status......but probably has no intention of ever doing so. The evidence shows many immigrants go back to their home countries. In some states, falsifying official documents incurs felony charges for first-degree tampering with public records, first-degree offering of a false instrument for filing, fourth-degree grand larceny, and first-degree falsifying of official records............Perry probably gives out cash awards.

Apparently, TX residency doesn’t require US citizenship to achieve state residency. Then the tuition debate boils down to a legal residency debate........a non-US resident should not be able to obtain state citizenship anywhere until they are a legal US citizen. Subsidized in-state college tuition should require legal citizenship of both the Nation and the state because the fed/govt subsidizes the tuition....... this is in every tax-paying citizen’s interest.........

A key question Perry failed to tell American is the number of identities legals and illegals are using.

Jose Madrigal, the Washington state rapist, had some 30 identities.
All of them riding the US gravy train. All of them cashing numerous
govt checks. And, as Perry knows well---all of the identities are voting.

Illegals are more likely to be collecting government checks than picking crops......despite the incessant latino-as-victim propaganda. One illegal used several identities obtained with forged documents to collect some $3.5 million unemployment checks..........and was convicted of identity theft.

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REFERENCE---illegals use numerous fake identities b/c they know it makes them harder to track. They got scams galore......they could be using one identity for in-state tuition, another to apply for legal status, and several more to ride the US gravy train. "Impoverished" illegals establish multiple identities by buying forged and falsified documents for several thousand dollars.

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RIDING THE US GRAVY TRAIN An "impoverished" illegal gets a job mowing lawns for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that low wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, so each year, he files an Income Tax Return to get "EITC---earned income credit" of up to $3,200 scot-free. He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent. He qualifies for food stamps and no deductible, no co-pay free health care. His children get free school breakfasts and lunches. The kids qualify for monthly SSI checks when they fake ADD; the illegal and his wife get SSI if they fake being aged, blind or disabled; SSI qualifies them for Medicare. Plus illegals don't worry about pricey items like car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance, and qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

NOTE WELL: Earned Income Tax Credit is available only to immigrant workers who obtain legal work status. But the law allows immigrants to claim EITC for up to three years prior to obtaining that status. Workers simply file a tax return for the years in which they were not legally eligible to work in the US. The most widespread abuse stems from the requirement that children live with the worker for more than six months of the year. IRS does little to verify the claim. Many immigrants falsify applications, claiming non-existent children, or claiming children who they’ve left behind with relatives. Those with two or more children and income below $32,121 could get as much as $4,008. It is estimated that illegals got $22 billion EITC.

149 posted on 09/23/2011 1:23:46 PM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Marty62

“Will you fence people PLEASE answer THAT question?”

I don’t know what that question means.

The Israelis built a fence in GAZA and it works AMAZINGLY WELL in controlling the flow of people between the territories. Don’t tell me that the length of the border or the terrain prohibits it. That’s defeatist. The Chinese built the Great Wall.

People always say “we have 14 million illegals. We can’t deport all of them.” I say you start one person at a time and you make it EXTREMELY uncomfortable for people to come here or stay here illegally. Eventually they will start to go back of their own volition.


150 posted on 09/23/2011 1:24:08 PM PDT by Castigar
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To: Marty62

With the drought going on in Texas, it would be such an easy comeback for Perry to just look at the commentator, the audience and then the other candidate and ask if they want to cut Texas off from water all together.


151 posted on 09/23/2011 1:24:55 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Liz

My great grandfather spent 4 years living in Canada waiting for approval to come to America after swearing his intent to immigrate from Austria.


152 posted on 09/23/2011 1:29:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Liz
The PerryBots like to say the ILLEGAL invaders' children have to be 'seeking citizenship' to qualify for instate tuition. Heck, Perry himself said that. But it is not possible for an ILLEGAL alien to apply for citizenship -- they must first seek 'legal status'.

I can see how that subtle difference in wording yet enormous difference in meaning would escape a PerryBot but one would think that the governor of Texas who wants to be the next POTUS would know the difference. Then again, as Perry proved in last night's debate, he's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.

153 posted on 09/23/2011 1:30:39 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: Liz
LOL. I was the first one that pointed out, that illegals would get unearned income tax credit in arrears, in the Jorge amnesty bill, I would bet Perry has the same bill ready.
154 posted on 09/23/2011 1:33:33 PM PDT by org.whodat (so Perry's purchase price starts at $5001.00: and $29,000 , was a sell.)
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To: Magic Fingers
Which perhaps makes a case for the greater importance of Congressional elections vs. the Presidential elections.

Indeed it could. Having a conservative Republican president would be great. And, as President Reagan proved, even with a demoRAT controlled congress things can get done. But it's not likely in this political climate; the dems are full of hate and, given that they seem to be on a path to destroy this country they would not likely be open to the ideas of a Republican president who wants to save it.

155 posted on 09/23/2011 1:34:23 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: jackv
I really like Perry but was troubled by his performance and the tuition fees to illegals is just unacceptable to me. Help me like the guy. I want to but....

Haaaaa. Well I've tried to like him too, and he's been my Governor for 11 years. The reason he has been elected three times is because the other candidates were so much worse. Don't believe me? Ask any born here Texan why they voted for Perry. "To keep the others out". That's what you will get.

156 posted on 09/23/2011 1:35:27 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: South40
>>>>>So 4-more years of Obama would likely not be as bad as 4-years with a RINO the likes of Rick Perry who carries the torch for the pro-amnesty crowd.

The first part of your post is retarded and the second part is dead wrong. For you, Obama is better than Perry.

This post is a keeper. LOL

157 posted on 09/23/2011 1:37:07 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man
I am willing to admit how bad for this country a president Perry would be. You, of course, are free to live in your fantasy world if you so please.

Interesting that your hero is falling like a rock, isn't it? Sorta proves me right. And I've got tons of keepers from you blind PerryBots. So save away.

158 posted on 09/23/2011 1:42:04 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: Liz; montag813; South40; cripplecreek; rintense; Condor51; AuntB; Tennessee Nana

Perry is suffering from terminal “ foot-in-mouth “ disease : )


159 posted on 09/23/2011 1:47:34 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

We agree. We need to seal that border. As Mexico goes down that road to revolution, we need to have an impenetrable border in place very soon. I am now thinking towards a fence, even though I know it can be defeated. A fence will slow their progress so the troops and air reconnasance can locate them and introdict them. We cannot afford to absorb a mass migration from the south as death and destruction implode the Mexican society. We may well be on the edge ourselves and a trigger like a “Southern Spring” may be all it takes.

Time does not allow me to go into it more. Just like the debate did not allow the candidates to go into the details like I wish they could have.


160 posted on 09/23/2011 1:48:34 PM PDT by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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