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CERN: 'Climate models will need to be substantially revised'
The Register ^ | 25th August 2011 | Andrew Orlowski

Posted on 08/25/2011 5:33:40 AM PDT by magellan

CERN's 8,000 scientists may not be able to find the hypothetical Higgs boson, but they have made an important contribution to climate physics, prompting climate models to be revised.

The first results from the lab's CLOUD ("Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets") experiment published in Nature today confirm that cosmic rays spur the formation of clouds through ion-induced nucleation. Current thinking posits that half of the Earth's clouds are formed through nucleation. The paper is entitled Role of sulphuric acid, ammonia and galactic cosmic rays in atmospheric aerosol nucleation.

This has significant implications for climate science because water vapour and clouds play a large role in determining global temperatures. Tiny changes in overall cloud cover can result in relatively large temperature changes.

Unsurprisingly, it's a politically sensitive topic, as it provides support for a "heliocentric" rather than "anthropogenic" approach to climate change: the sun plays a large role in modulating the quantity of cosmic rays reaching the upper atmosphere of the Earth.

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Climate models will have to be revised, confirms CERN in supporting literature:

"[I]t is clear that the treatment of aerosol formation in climate models will need to be substantially revised, since all models assume that nucleation is caused by these vapours [sulphuric acid and ammonia] and water alone."

(Excerpt) Read more at theregister.co.uk ...


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To: Helotes

FACTS are such an inconvenient truth.

Oh the irony.


21 posted on 08/25/2011 6:19:29 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: magellan

It doesn’t matter what factors are changed, as long as the climate model equation remains the same:

A-B+C= AGW (manmade global warming)

A= Heating
B= Cooling
C= AGW-A+B

AGW is the only truly “known” in the equation. Everything else is just adjusted as required to make it equal to AGW.


22 posted on 08/25/2011 6:27:02 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Blueflag

It was a Danish scientist, Henrik Svensmark, who posited the role of cosmic rays in cloud formation and the role of changes in solar magnetism in changing the amount of cosmic radiation hitting the earth’s atmosphere as the causal mechanism linking the sunspot cycle to global temperature. In fact, the phenomenon CERN just confirmed is called “the Svensmark effect”.

I think you may be confusing him with a Hungarian scientist, Ferenc M. Miskolczi, who also dealt a significant blow to the AGW alarmism by recalculation the solution to the differential equations governing the greenhouse effect with realistic boundary conditions (instead of the simplifying assumption of a “semi-infinite” atmosphere used since about the 1920’s and used in all models that “support” the AGW theory). His solutions agreed with observation on both Earth and Mars without any fudging, and (here’s what’s deadly to climate alarmism, albeit not to the possibility of human causation of global warming) predict that run-away greenhouse warming is impossible: the greenhouse effect is self-limiting, even without other negative feedback mechanisms.


23 posted on 08/25/2011 6:30:50 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: magellan

Good post. Here’s one of the money quotes:

“When Dr Kirkby first described the theory in 1998, he suggested cosmic rays “will probably be able to account for somewhere between a half and the whole of the increase in the Earth’s temperature that we have seen in the last century.””

Calling IPPC? Kyoto? EPA? Obama? Al? Algore? You out there?


24 posted on 08/25/2011 6:33:09 AM PDT by Amadeo
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To: MrB
They should just do away with the EPA.

It's an organization that benefits be creating more rules and programs that destroy jobs and competitiveness. They are mostly useless and point to trivial garbage as testaments to their success and need. They hop on every populist bandwagon, they are politicized and they are redundant because this is a function federal law enforcement and states should handle. The EPA is a bunch of GS11 - 14s plus executive schedule paid folks that make their money generating papers and keeping records that mean little in the grand scheme of things. Another 11 billion in tax dollars to people that create no wealth! The EPA has no product or service, rather they deliver this abstract notion of environmental security/safety and the 11 billion they cost the tax payer is the tip of the iceberg. The real cost is in the form of restrictions and delays as well as burdensome administrative garbage that still costs man-hours they cost those people that do create wealth. The very existence of this agency was a political expedient action to benefit political careers (Nixon and some others) in a time of growing environmentalist concerns. It's another centralized approach where you have Washington decide, thousands of special rules, government initiatives and programs, social experiments, exemptions and statuses and games being played so that winners and losers are decided politically rather than in a free market place.

25 posted on 08/25/2011 6:33:29 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Honorary Serb
Who is that scientist?

Henrik Svensmark
26 posted on 08/25/2011 6:37:51 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Red6

I agree it should be done away with, but the demogoguery from the left would make an outright disbanding of it impossible, politically.

But, making them do human and economic impact studies, and getting any policy with the force of law approved by Congress would be ways of “disbanding” them in a way that would be difficult to oppose.


27 posted on 08/25/2011 6:38:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

I guess that way we just pay 11 billion a year so 17,000 people can sit around and do nothing, but at least as you state, they won’t be hurting everyone else.


28 posted on 08/25/2011 6:43:49 AM PDT by Red6
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To: magellan
The first results from the lab's CLOUD ("Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets") experiment published in Nature today confirm that cosmic rays spur the formation of clouds through ion-induced nucleation.

What? An experiment? In modern science? And here I thought you just designed a model to give you the results you wanted.

29 posted on 08/25/2011 6:50:03 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: G Larry

In my personal library I have a book by Peter Freuchen that lists several different theories regarding climactic changes. The discussion revolves around why we have climate changes and ice ages. The theories that Freuchen lists are changes in ocean currents, surface salinity, the inclination of the Earth’s axis via precession, changes in the orbit, CO2 levels, cosmic rays, galactic dust which cuts sunlight, solar output, and volcanoes.

The copyright is 1957!

IMHO, the answer is ALL OF THE ABOVE. The Earth’s climate is an incredibly complex interaction of many variables most of which we barely understand. AGW was a hoax from the beginning. It served many political and econut goals.

The jig is up.


30 posted on 08/25/2011 7:42:58 AM PDT by darth
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To: Hiddigeigei; Blueflag

Svensmark is Danish, so he is really North European, not Eastern European.

The great Serbian-American scientist, engineer, and inventor Nikola Tesla did research (and filed patents) related to cosmic rays:

http://www.andre-waser.ch/Publications/NikolaTeslasRadiationsAndCosmicRays.pdf

But, of course, he had no IPCC, Algore, or “global warming”-driven ideologies and politics to contend with!!!!


31 posted on 08/25/2011 7:48:41 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Dr.Deth

The back section—which is the main section—of the journal Nature is FULL of experiments, and of real scientific analyses of these experiments.

The front section is full of journalistic screeds, centered around leftist ideologies calling for hyper-regulation, globalism, and socialism. They are now even calling their editorials “opinionated editorials”!!!! I’m not kidding!

I have to read Nature for my work. As Sunday—and Holy Communion—draws near every week, and during Orthodox fasting seasons—I have to skip the front section of Nature. If I read articles in it, I will be unable to have a peaceful heart to receive the Holy Sacrament.


32 posted on 08/25/2011 7:56:50 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: The_Reader_David

See my posts 31 and 32.


33 posted on 08/25/2011 7:58:47 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: magellan

Wasn;t there a report from NASA recently about sea levels actually FALLING?

I guess they will really have to revise them “theories” now.


34 posted on 08/25/2011 10:28:09 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Stosh
(By the way, a (probably *the*) major factor in determing the flux of cosmic rays impinging on the earth is solar activity, which modifies the magnetosphere that partially screens the earth from those cosmic rays)

The affects of cosmic rays actually magnify the affects of solar activity changes. When the sun is more active, less clouds form on the Earth, which allows more solar energy into the biosphere. When the sun is less active, more clouds form on the Earth, which allows less solar energy into the biosphere. So the sun is the dominate factor when you are talking climate change. Most of us already knew that anyway. The underlying science of this study, just magnifies the effects.

35 posted on 08/25/2011 12:45:53 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape; Stosh
(By the way, a (probably *the*) major factor in determing the flux of cosmic rays impinging on the earth is solar activity, which modifies the magnetosphere that partially screens the earth from those cosmic rays)

Another is the earth's rapidly decaying magnetic field, down 10% over 150 years ago. So a decrease in solar activity and a decreasing magnetic field combine to increase cloud formation, increasing albedo and cooling off the earth.
36 posted on 08/25/2011 12:52:28 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: magellan

This is a con job. No way this “fancy machine” can mimic the climate system. This is an attempt to hijack the money found in the aerosol sciences.

Don’t believe me? Look at what that a$$hole Gavin Schmidt is saying on Real Climate:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/08/the-cerncloud-results-are-surprisingly-interesting/


37 posted on 08/25/2011 1:00:12 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope

Gave up on leftist a long time ago. Takes years worth of effort to educate them, and when they finally learn something new, you just end up with slightly better educated leftist. Definitely not worth the effort.


38 posted on 08/25/2011 1:15:36 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: magellan
The sun's magnetic field has a lot to do with how many cosmic rays reach Earth. Sunspots are an indicator of the Sun's magnetic field strength (more spots = stronger field). The sunspot level rises and falls in an 11 year cycle, with the current cycle called Cycle 24.

Here's how the sunspot cycle has been shaping up for the last few years:

It's looking like we will have a lower sunspot level than models initially predicted.

39 posted on 08/26/2011 10:04:01 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

ping


40 posted on 08/26/2011 10:04:56 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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