Posted on 08/02/2011 4:10:15 PM PDT by A Cyrenian
Did the conservatives come out on top on the debt issue?
I'm not going to pretend to be an expert. But I think the conservatives in the House of Representatives did a hell of a job. Considering the hand they were dealt.
The liberals control the Senate & Monkey ears Huessin. So we're down 2 - 0.
If we had control of the Senate and/or the presidency, I would had loved to see more.
But, with the current situation, I think we won. And I'm surprised there's not more celebration on Free Republic.
Have we been beaten down so much that we can't be excited about our accomplishments?
What do you think?
“But the big thing ... the worst thing ... is that (hopefully) unconstitutional Super Congerss that will act in secret like some Star Chamber whose goal is to kill America.”
The “Super Congress” as you put it has no authority to do anything other than make recommendations. Anything they recommend has to be passed by a majority of the house and the senate. True, they can not come to an agreement and then automatic cuts go into effect. But the idea that they have the authority to do anything on their own is not correct.
You know, the media and dems kept saying we had to raise the debt limit because the debt ceiling was supposed to be raised to pay for things we have already bought or spent money on......but all I heard was a shopping list of new programs when the spender-in-chief spoke from the Rose Garden.
Also, I thot the markets were gonna tank IF we DID NOT raise the limit...well they pretty much tanked today. So No, I don’t think we won.
That’s a joke. Right? Government employees just stole trillions of dollars more from all others. Politics! [familyop spits.]
“I don’t know about your house, but at my house when our credit card bills are up we don’t go out and spend money. We don’t pat ourselves on the back and talk about how heroic we are as we poo poo away our children’s college savings. We don’t hide from each other what we’ve purchased that day (i.e., gang on 6). We don’t act like its our right to go out and spend spend spend and blame the bank for our overindulgence. We limit our spending to bare necessities only.”
The problem with your analogy is that presumably everyone in your household is in agreement and working towards the same goal. That clearly is not the case here. The democrats have the senate and the white house and do not want what we want. That makes it more difficult to get everything done that you want to accomplish.
Boehner needs some Viagra..
He got mugged and is so happy he did not get KILLED...
He may have cried.. (privately)..
Big government and parasitism won.
Freedom lost.
If this cave-in had been the big win it was supposed to be (think CC&B), my gut tells me the market would have produced a big +, not a 266 point drop. Yes, there were other negatives at play, but I doubt they affected the drop that much.
No Vaseline, no kiss.....and our wallets have been stolen. Thanks.
I think you’re trying to be a comedian.
If by “won” you mean “sodomized with a rabid ferret” then, yes - we can declare an Epic Victory.
4merly Free
So the role of the GOP is to abide by what the white house dictates? I thought their role was to do the will of the people that elected them. Silly me.
The folks at PowerLine had a great quote from Churchill in an article recently saying:
When Lord Halifax and a handful of other influential members of the war cabinet were building support to seek peace terms with Hitler through the Italians, Churchill reminded them that “nations which went down fighting rose again, but those which surrendered tamely were finished.” The same may be said for the Republican Party today; if it surrenders to Obama, it may as well pack it in for good.
ditto
NO!
We got hosed.
We also got hosed back when “We” had the presidency and both houses, so nothing has really changed.
At this point I expect “We the people” will continue to be hosed even if “Republicans/Conservatives” again retake the presidency and both houses.
There were no actual cuts in this deal!
Real cuts need to be made as quickly as the last ten years spending increases in order to amount to anything of substance.
I don’t see that happening without a dramatic and cataclysmic event, such as an open rebellion similar to the “Arab Spring”.
So BOHICA, and learn to enjoy our new status as a third world socialist kleptocracy.
Not that I am bitter or anything. ;-)
My three year old son and unborn daughter really lost this battle. I pray it is my blood that will be shed for their freedom and not their own.
“But I think the conservatives in the House of Representatives did a hell of a job.”
I would LOVE to believe this, really I would. If you mean the Tea Party conservatives that stood up against this deal and ultimately voted against it, I agree. If you mean leadership, they have proven that they are gutless and unwilling to fight for conservative principles.
We sent them there last November primarily to do 2 things:
1. Stop the out of control spending.
2. Repeal Obamacare-and short of a repeal at the very least de-fund it.
They fought for neither in this deal. They paid lip service to the “Cut, Cap and Balance” plan that was supported by almost the entire House GOP caucus and 66% of the American people, then they didn’t even force the Senate to VOTE on it. They allowed them to table it and quickly came up with a “compromise.”
“Cut, Cap & Balance” doesn’t really go far enough, but it would have been a good step in the right direction. But Boehner and the leadership showed that they weren’t really interested in fighting for REAL change. They were more afraid of being blamed if the govn’t “defaulted”, which was a lie from the beginning that no one in leadership ever challenged.
The right play would have been to hold the line on “Cut, Cap & Balance” and force them to either take it or not raise the debt ceiling. I know the media would have been all over them for that, but aren’t they already being accused of being “hostage takers?” The media will go after us no matter what, so why not get something substantive out of it?
No, this is not a win at all. This does nothing to curve spending. Boehner and Co. promised in the campaign to roll back spending to 2008 levels “for starters.” Now, they’re not even talking about doing that. They are allowing the $800 billion “1 time” stimulus of 2009 to be added permanently to the baseline. The so called cuts spoken of in this deal (if they ever materialize) are simply small reductions in the projected rate of growth in spending. They should be fighting to do away with the whole “base line budgeting” system that causes these people to lie to us by calling smaller spending increases cuts, but I saw none of that in this debate either.
As for Obamacare, there seems to be no concern whatsoever about de-funding it or fighting for its repeal. The American people still overwhelmingly support its repeal, but NOT ONE WORD was spoken about it by leadership. That tells me that they are just fine with Obamacare becoming the law of the land and making us into more of a socialist nation.
No, this is not a victory. In fact, I am more disheartened than I’ve been since the 2008 elections. These GOP leaders need to be replaced. That’s the only solution to this problem. We need to primary as many of them as possible and get new blood in there. Boehner needs to go and we need someone to replace him that actually GETS the fact that our republic is hanging by a thread.
Sadly, I don’t detect the outrage that is deserved at what just happened. Too many on our side are willing to go along with this media-driven narrative that it’s a “victory for the Tea Party” simply because we are now “talking” about cutting spending. I’ll grant that it’s a good thing that we have shifted the debate, but it doesn’t mean jack if it’s not followed up by REAL, SUBSTANTIVE spending cuts.
The only hope we have now is a presidential candidate that truly gets the need to cut spending and balance our budget and is willing to fight even his/her own party in congress to do it. Bush did the opposite. I think most of our candidates are ‘ruling class’ types just like Bush, so I doubt they will do anything different. So where does that leave us?
He got what he wanted.
The Republicans claimed they wanted less spending, smaller government and reduced taxes. They got increased spending, bigger government and higher taxes.
Who do you think "won"?
Nope. The can got kicked down the road- maybe less than usual, but my opinion is that business as usual still reigns in DC. The deal, such as it is, doesn’t address the true problem- the government spends more than it takes in, and it will be doing so as long as it is able to do so.
Compromise is for losers.
My children and grandchildren have been robbed of their inheritance. We lost, big time.
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