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Unbelievable: TV Reporter Mocks Romney's Mormonism
Commentary ^ | July 7, 2011

Posted on 07/09/2011 6:52:15 PM PDT by T.L.Sink

Polls show there's an anti-Mormon bias among voters - especially Democrats, more than a quarter of whom say they wouldn't vote for a Mormon. But this video of a Memphis Fox affiliate ridiculing Mitt Romney about his religion is a real wake-up call [video]. The whole news segment appears to be about Mormonism and the 2012 election, but skip ahead to the 3:20 mark for the worst of it [video].

(Excerpt) Read more at commentarymagazine.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: liberalmedia; mormons; romney
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To: Rashputin
If they think conservatives are more anti-Mormon than liberals...

Oh; they don't THINK this; they KNOW this!

And as for LOSING votes, just WHO put HARRY REID where he is NOW?

CHRISTIANS???

161 posted on 07/10/2011 5:26:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
They never actually saw anything.

But YOU can!!!


The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story. No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim... only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.

 

Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:



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What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.


162 posted on 07/10/2011 5:28:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Coming up with a realistic scenario of extraterrestrial planetary inhabitation in the early 1800s is no mean trick.

Quakers on the moon.

163 posted on 07/10/2011 5:29:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Coming up with a realistic scenario of extraterrestrial planetary inhabitation in the early 1800s is no mean trick.

Hie Thee to Kolob

164 posted on 07/10/2011 5:30:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Rashputin
Look at the fruits of sixty years of hiding in a hole, waiting for the big extraction, and rationalizing the joy you take in dividing people as the best way to win souls.

And what have YOU been doing?

165 posted on 07/10/2011 5:31:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: mardi59
You have judged me without knowing what’s truly in my heart.

We ALL do this.

All we CAN do is read what is written here on FR and make judgements based on that.

If there is more in a person's heart; he needs to reveal it.

166 posted on 07/10/2011 5:33:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: T.L.Sink

Give a fool a microphone and camera and this is what you get. I’d like to see this fool mock islam in this fashion.


167 posted on 07/10/2011 5:34:05 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: mardi59
Are we into judging religions now?

All the TIME!

'Religions' usually have published positions on all kinds of things.

Most members of those religions, if they do NOT go along with what headquarters has published, at least give lip service to the stated postitions.

When someone comes along and says they do NOT go along with what their chosen religion has taken a stand on; well, that just makes a fellow wonder...

168 posted on 07/10/2011 5:37:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Gargantua

HUH??

And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.


169 posted on 07/10/2011 5:39:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Gargantua

Try again...


170 posted on 07/10/2011 5:39:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
Also, by all accounts Smith was a very charismatic speaker.

He HAD to be!!


171 posted on 07/10/2011 5:42:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: higgmeister
Yes, but I do not want to attack the Mormon religion when we all should stand united against the much greater evil of Islam.

WWII would have NEVER been won this way!

172 posted on 07/10/2011 5:44:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: T.L.Sink
But the whole point is that his personal faith is irrelevant.

Uh... Ok.

173 posted on 07/10/2011 5:45:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: T.L.Sink
But the whole point is that his personal faith is irrelevant.

Romans 10:1-4

Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge.

Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.

Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.


The above fits MORMONism to a tee!

174 posted on 07/10/2011 5:49:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: mardi59
Please tell me how posting on Free Republic is going to change anything.

Then why are you wasting your time?

175 posted on 07/10/2011 5:50:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ansel12
Do you think that Mormons might become allies of Islam

Good Question!!


 

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1] 

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith  taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith  & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.


176 posted on 07/10/2011 5:55:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: T.L.Sink
I think a lot of anti-Mormon bigotry is just based on ignorance.

I KNOW that a lot of ANTI-mormonISM is based on KNOWLEDGE of that Religious Organization.

177 posted on 07/10/2011 5:57:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

147


178 posted on 07/10/2011 5:58:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
'Try again...'

FROM YOUR POST, GENIUS...

"...those who had received the mark of the beast..."

Try glasses.

;^\

179 posted on 07/10/2011 6:03:34 AM PDT by Gargantua ("Palin 2012 ~ Going Oval")
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To: Colofornian

I don’t know where your italicized line came from or what it purports to mean. Speaking only for myself, I don’t vote for or against “fellow Christians” but for candidates who best exemplify my conservative political ideology. As I said before, LDS may be a cult but today it’s a harmless one irrespective of how absurd we think some of its religious postulates are. The history of religion also shows that a multitude of religious founders and their followers all commonly have claimed to be the “one true” faith. However, after the Thirty Years War (1618-1648) when Christians slaughtered and butchered each other throughout Europe, the West has generally moved towards the separation of religion and partisan politics. There are, to be sure, some vestiges remaining and, given human nature, there always will be some of this. To this day, many Christian bodies claim to be the one true faith in an apostate world, including the Roman Catholic Church. But this doesn’t matter so long as such views are not imposed on others. Also, we can selectively quote official statements from any religious body that will make it appear in a bad light.


180 posted on 07/10/2011 6:48:38 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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