Posted on 07/08/2011 11:33:43 AM PDT by wildbill
Now when did Odysseus return to Penelope? The date is given with a precision most unusual in epic poetry.
"Because the lines describing the alleged eclipse are considered suspect, we shall use other passages in the Odyssey to shed some light on the issue, without assuming an eclipse. Given an interpretation of certain passages in the Odyssey as describing astronomical phenomena, we will look for dates in which the phenomena match. We shall find that the most likely day matching these other phenomena is 16 April 1178 B.C., suggesting there may be corroborating information in the epic for the eclipse hypothesis. In other words, the passages we analyze appear to cohere.
Two important caveats: first, that if our interpretation of such passages as astronomical phenomena were incorrect, our calculation of dates and their probability or improbability would also be incorrect; and second, that even if correct, we get no indication whether the events narrated in the epic did happen.
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Mammoths/mastodons definitely coexisted with man. They were hunted by men and there are many drawings of them. The period of their existence was only 10s of thousands of years ago not hundreds of millions.
The problem of coexistence of men and dinosaurs is that the latter was the product of a whole set of conditions which no long existed when the former arrived. It is like finding a tv set in a primitive stone age village.
There is no such drawing.
The creo liars make up everything they think they believe.
Of course there isn’t. I was just being polite. I thought he or she might post a link to some cave painting of a bison or something that had been misinterpreted as a dinosaur.
I have always believed, however, that tales of dragons came from the discoveries people made of dinosaur bones. Dinosaur and dragon really seem like two different names for the same creatures. If you came across the skeleton of a dinosaur of any kind, you’d have no trouble at all figuring out what it looked like. We have no trouble recognizing animal skeletons found in the woods today, for instance.
Just think, some homey will rap something about Obama (an Epic record) that will leave later generations saying, “None of this could have really happened, could it?”
In Search of the Trojan War"These vague resemblances do not look like mere chance; Achaiwoi/Ahhiyawa; Alaksandus/Alexandros [Paris]; Wilusa/Wilios; Taruisa/Troia: each in isolation presents problems, but four resemblances is pressing coincidence too far." (p 207 of the earlier edition, italics in original)
by Michael Wood"Was There a Trojan War?" Evidence from Hittite RecordsA long letter from a Hittite king, probably Hattusili III (who ruled circa 1267-1237 B.C.), to the king of Ahhiyawa mentions that Wilusa was once a bone of contention between the two. The location of Ahhiyawa has been controversial since its earliest recognition in the Hittite texts in the 1920s. The scattered references to it suggested that it lay across the sea and that its interests often conflicted with those of the Hittites. What is now known of the geography of western Anatolia makes it clear that there could be no room on the mainland for the kingdom of Ahhiyawa. Furthermore, the references to the political interests of Ahhiyawa on the west coast mesh well with increasing archaeological evidence for Mycenaean Greeks in the area, so that it is now widely accepted that "Ahhiyawa" is indeed the Hittite designation for this culture.
by J.D. Hawkins
May/June 2004
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Instead, they’ll look at it and say, “what this flat thing? Must be plate. Let’s eat.”
Here I was holding out some hope for the future. I guess that they would recognize a plate leaves a little room.
Interesting comments.
We have been aculturated to think of the Homeric Greeks as some kind of heroes when they would more accurately be considered as ancient Vikings farming part of the year and raiding/trading during other times. Maybe not as murderous as the Norsemen but slavers and, as you said, pirates.
As I read somewhere, Screw March. Beware the Ides of April!
Cheers!
>>> Cultures around the world have oral traditions of a worldwide flood. Still people don’t want to believe it.
Perhaps in part because none of these ancient peoples would know if the extent of their observed “great flood” was global or not. No satellite views, no telephones from the next continent, no info at all beyond what they could see from their soggy perch.
Floods aren’t rare. Biblical deluges are.
But sometime look up the sketchy info on the great meteor that apparently fell in the Indian Ocean circa 3000BC. The tsunamis from such an event could tie together many of these stories in Africa, the Middle East, India, and South America.
;’)
You're kidding right? Animal remains are fairly regularly reported as human until they can be excluded by laboratory tests. Bear paws are frequently confused with human hands...
When a flood seemingly goes on forever and is much worse than normal flooding in your known ‘world’ that may extend only a few miles from home, you’d describe it to younger generatios as something akin to a God-driven “global” flood too.
Any I was taught to revere my elders and what they say.
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