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1 posted on 07/06/2011 8:04:10 AM PDT by Clive
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2 posted on 07/06/2011 8:06:13 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive

No, this is unreasonable doubt.


5 posted on 07/06/2011 8:09:26 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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Any trial which is taking place should be restricted in attempts to turn news reporting into telethons. Perhaps limiting coverage to facts of the trial instead of thousands of consultant entertainers offering their "expert opinions" on the case, 24/7 on every news network?

It's just wrong..............

6 posted on 07/06/2011 8:14:22 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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So what about the child abuse charge? 31 days of neglect? What reasonable doubt was there for that count?


8 posted on 07/06/2011 8:14:49 AM PDT by hecht (TAKE BACK OUR NATION AND OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM)
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In the age of omnipresent recording technology and DNA analysis, “reasonable doubt” doesn’t mean what it used to.


9 posted on 07/06/2011 8:14:49 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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Better duck, Clive.

An alarming number of FReepers have become anti-liberty on this one, and would rather see the State’s burden to imprison and execute made easier.

I’m willing to let guilty people walk free if it will prevent innocent people from being convicted. It’s a trade-off a free society must make.


10 posted on 07/06/2011 8:16:18 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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even though prosecutors were forced to rely largely on circumstantial evidence

Circumstantial evidence is the corner stone of our justice system. Cayce was the last to see the child. She had motive. She had opportunity. She had the behavior. She was the only one happy about it and the only one who benefited by it. And this time, there was actually a dead body!

The key word in "reasonable doubt" is "reasonable."

There was no video of Susan Smith pushing her car full of children into the water. There was no absolute, beyond a shadow of a doubt, proof. Maybe it was a car jacking. Maybe the car rolled into the water. We'll never really know, right? No one can prove it was actually she who pushed the car into the water, but the circumstances surrounding the incident pointed strait to her, just as the death of little Caylee pointed straight to her mother.

This is not a time to celebrate of our justice system. It's a time to mourn over it's occasional flaws.

12 posted on 07/06/2011 8:19:49 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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This is a victory for stupidity only

Reasonbable doubt is now ANY REAL OR IMAGINARY doubt

Ciscumstantial evidence is wrongly interpreted as ‘not useful’.

Judges need to start instructing juries better on reasonable AND unreasonable doubt

And that circumstantial evidens IS factually correct info. (If a person is alone in a room with no other doors or windows, and you hear a scream you can be 100% certain it was him, even thought all your evidence is ‘circumstantial’)


14 posted on 07/06/2011 8:24:48 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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Doubt can't be measured. There is no law requiring anyone be convicted on "beyond (a group's or the public's) reasonable doubt".

This was a victory for the constitution...innocent untill PROVEN guilty.

A guilty verdict would have been a victory for the liberal media everyone here apparently pretends to hate.

15 posted on 07/06/2011 8:24:52 AM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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So is this going to boil down on how a juror defines the word, reasonable? Kind of reminds me of, “depends on what the meaning of is, is.” Yes, the case was short on forensic evidence, but someone please explain on how Anthony didn't even get charged with child neglect when her two year old was missing for a month before she reported it? The mere fact that a two year old toddler is missing for an entire month while mommy is out having a grand time, isn't a big red flag that something is terribly wrong? Yesterdays verdict was a travesty of justice.
16 posted on 07/06/2011 8:26:31 AM PDT by PeanutbutterandJellybean
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IMO, many jury-sitting Obama voters believe that having a ‘reasonable doubt’ means that you must have ‘no doubt’ in order to convict. No Obama voters should be allowed to sit on a jury. They've already shown themselves to be irrational.
18 posted on 07/06/2011 8:27:28 AM PDT by JPG (Elect Sarah Palin in '12. America won't get another chance.)
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At one time I was a 100% supporter of our legal system. I was convinced it was the most fair, most honest, system in the world.

As I got older, I got a little wiser. I have read stories where prosecutors knowingly bring charges against innocent people. I have read stories where investigators knowingly lied to a jury. I have read stories where forensic experts fudge the data or lie about it.

I no longer trust our legal system to be fair and honest.

The burden of proof remains the responsibility of the state. The accused does not have to prove their innocents. In fact the accused does not even have to tell the police anything (of course we all know how they can get around that little constitutional protection don’t we).

There was a long time between the last time anyone seen Cayley alive and they found her body. Since they could not establish a time of death, they could not prove that Casey was in fact the last person to see the baby alive, only that she was the last person another person had seen Cayley.

The so called forensic was to me laughable. Months after the fact they somehow found traces of Chloroform in the trunk of the car. It is like a finger print, perhaps it was in fact Chloroform and not something left over from another product. However, as far I know, they never proved that Casey bought the material to make chloroform or if she indeed had made it, so it was just speculation on the part of the prosecutor. Even if it was Chloroform, there is no evidence when it was in the car. Only speculation.

The police botched the investigation when the child was found but the police did not want to get their feet wet just ignored the report. If they had discovered the body when it was first found perhaps more evidence would have been available.

I did not follow this case closely, but from what I did hear and see it appeared that the mob in the streets convicted Casey before the trail and now are upset because those that did in fact sit through the entire trial determined that the state did not prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.

Further, I think the prosecutor over reached with a first degree murder charge with the prospect of execution of Casey. Since the cause of death could not be determined, who could be sure it was in fact murder, and not simply an accident of some sort?

I do not know what happened, but based on what I have read I have reasonable doubt on who was responsible for Caylee’s death.

Does this mean a possible murderer goes free? Yes, that is one of the hard lessons of living under a system where we presume someone is innocent until PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW and not by television reporters.

I agree with those that say these types of trials should not be televised. Allow reporters in the court room but not television cameras.


33 posted on 07/06/2011 8:51:18 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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It is only reasonable doubt if the jury is brain dead. This verdict is the logical consequence of the government indoctrination centers(aka public schools) creating little 0bamatrons who know more about American Idol and Lady Gaga than they do about the Constitution and American history. We are headed toward the society depicted in the movie “Idiocracy.”


34 posted on 07/06/2011 8:53:56 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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(Lead-in) “The not guilty verdict for Casey Anthony on Tuesday also can be seen as a victory for the U.S. justice system ...”
“also”? The OJ Simpson verdict was a *great* victory (for the ... blah blah blah) ?


39 posted on 07/06/2011 8:57:20 AM PDT by tumblindice (We can't afford too many victories like this one.)
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This case for me demonstrates the founders agreement and establishment of individual personal responsibility is hanging on life support. From our beginning our system was established that we the people are government/state.

Reasonable people know full well that accidental deaths are NOT covered up by bagging a body, hauling said body around in a trunk of a car and then dumping the said body in the local pet cemetery. This mother or as a infamous radio mouth once described a mother as the biological leg spreader, successfully lied and stole and killed her offspring for the good life. AND the state presented the evidence that only and Casey alone by her own words was the last person to have in her custody that child.

That word ‘reasonable’ has been perverted to have meanings like many words before ‘marriage’, ‘gay’, ‘choice’, ‘natural’, and on and on it goes.

44 posted on 07/06/2011 9:02:09 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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There is reasonable doubt the death was deliberate, as forensics just could not show exactly how the little baby died, homicide vs accident vs neglect.

The other circumstances... letting a month pass before alerting Police, partying nightly, misleading family as to her exact whereabouts left me with the feeling that the child was neglected... and that means Manslaughter.

Yet, liberal excuse-ism (aka "it's not my fault") have twisted the basics of law to allow responsibility to be set aside. And that was exacerbated when abortion not only became legal for extreme cases, but became acceptable as a 'family planning' option. Life wasn't so much important when it became inconvenient. We're so far off the beaten path, I wonder if we'll ever find our way back.

45 posted on 07/06/2011 9:03:47 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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73 posted on 07/06/2011 9:45:19 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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Just a little curious: how many people have “dodged” jury duty when they’ve been called for it?


74 posted on 07/06/2011 9:46:32 AM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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Legal experts! First, the definition of an expert is anyone who can collect the right information to complete his false argument. It has little to do with facts. Note,unemployment,
“unexpectedly rises,” stocks,”unexpectedly drop.” If they were so expert wouldn't they know what was going to happen? Legal! Note how the lawyers have circled the wagons now that the fallacy of a fair trial is exposed. Weeks of testimony and by the time they read the judges instructions they had their decision. The age of common sense, logic, and linear thinking is long gone. Deposed of by lawyers.
85 posted on 07/06/2011 10:02:27 AM PDT by JayAr36
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NI it wasn’t it was a sign a jury wast oo stupid to understand that reasonable doubt is not no doubt at all. With their photos online I sure would not want to be one of them today!


102 posted on 07/06/2011 10:33:14 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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